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[–] dontsayaword@piefed.social 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

People think sure, I don't mind them knowing which songs I listen to so they can give me recs and wrapped... But Spotify isn't just tracking which songs you are listening to the most. They are tracking every location, device, phone, PC, car, network, IP, WiFi, connected devices, what other apps you have on your devices, and more. With the data they have, someone can pinpoint everywhere you've been, every minute since you got the app, even who you've been with and what mood you were in. You can request the data and it's mindblowing. It's way more than is necessary or appropriate to track to give you a top songs list once a year. And other entities, including governments and whoever bought data from their latest beaches, has it too.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 101 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"tracking you"

It's their service, of course they know what you listened to.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They also collect a bunch of telemetry. There are ways to disable that of course

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[–] geekwithsoul@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That's sort of missing the point - there are alternatives for finding and listening to music that don't involve a "service". Choosing those is always better than having a service not only track you, but deciding what you listen to. For some reason people seem to be okay with Spotify despite the mountains of red flags.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Deciding what you listen to is a feature, you can just choose a playlist and go about your day.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And I have discovered some amazing shit letting Spotify 'decide what I listen to'

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I use YouTube music, but same here.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (13 children)

"always better"? Really?

Maybe you can use that brain of yours to imagine why people use and like the service rather than assuming they must have the exact same preferences as you but just be idiots

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"That's sort of missing the point..."

Boy now that's the single best encapsulation of Lemmy comments I think I've ever seen.

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[–] djmikeale@feddit.dk 5 points 1 week ago

It's sort of difficult to provide good "recommendations" without user data.

I guess you could look at recent releases, and let users pick what genre they prefer. But with users play history, playlists, etc available, it becomes a lot easier to create a good recommendation engine

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[–] TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To be fair, a Service like Spotify would make absolutely no sense if they would not be tracking my listening preferences to propose me the kind of music I like.

Just listening to random stuff on the internet would be like radio in the good ol' days.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Exactly. When they start injecting ads for paid subscribers, fuck them…but fuck Spotify anyway for how little they pay artists.

[–] Kondeeka@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And they support things like lunch and $100000+ donations to fascist political parties.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wait, I support lunch! Sometimes even second lunch! Am I a fascist?? A hungry, hungry fascist.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know who else regularly ate lunch? Hitler.

[–] Kondeeka@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Ha, I worded it a bit weird, sorry. Spotify organised a lunch for the maga inauguration and donated 150000 to them earlier this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify?wprov=sfla1

[–] Foni@lemmy.zip 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They don't personalize it by user, but it's usually fun to watch Pornhub's annual summary.

[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 17 points 1 week ago

Missed opportunity tbh

[–] invictvs@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Using usage data to improve user experience and similarly worded sentences are in pretty much every apps "Terms of Service". They record what music I have listened to and compile playlist for me, so what? In similar manner navigation apps like Waze collect data about your driving habits to offer better routes.

It becomes an issue when:

  1. They collect data irrelevant to the user experience or not connected in any way to the services the company provides.
  2. They record activity for people who don't even have an account through third parties (looking at you Meta)
  3. They scan every local network I connect to and collect detailed information (again... Meta)
  4. They sell the data about what I listened and/or any other collected data to third parties
  5. They use the data to train LLMs without my knowledge and approval, or opt me in by default and bury the option to opt out of this deep in the settings.

I haven't used Spotify for a long time, but I use YouTube. YouTube ticks most boxes of that list. I bet Waze do too, and Spotify maybe. That are for me the problematic areas we need to be discussing. Collecting data is not entirely bad. It is a good thing when that data is handled only in the user's interest, it's bad when it's being abused, which unfortunately is the norm rather than exception nowadays.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 21 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Lemmy users have got so hyper focused on privacy they seem to have forgotten why it's important, and treat it as a goal in its own right.

Every time you interact with anyone, they learn something about you. That's not usually cause for concern, so it needs to be a little bit more nuanced.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 4 points 1 week ago

I agree with you but the problem is that the incentives to collect data responsibly are FAR outweighed by financial benefits of doing it, and the barrier to entry is not much larger. So, when the vast majority of data collection is abusive, and the incentive structure is there to ensure it continues to go that way, folks are understandably upset to hear about ANY data collection these days.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spotify isn't the only tech company with a personalised yearly wrap-up. Not even close...

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

But I think they did it first (or at least they made it popular)

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 1 week ago

Is like to see the Wrapped for my 1273 trusted data partners.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Steam review, too.

[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago
[–] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago

I really like how Letterboxd used their big data. By using the Watchlist (the to-watch list of movies users wants to see) of everyone, they can find movies a lot of people want to watch, but it's impossible to stream and very challenging to buy, and license those movies for their online rental store.

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I mean, even back in the day of listening to local .mp3s on my desktop. I'm pretty sure at least some of the software I used (Windows Media Player, Music Match Jukebox, probably others I can't remember) kept track of the title number of listens. I definitely remember going through and looking from time to time out of curiosity.

I also just love data and analysis. I love keeping track of things. I love sparking my memory, using data like this to remember a song I loved for like 3 weeks 8 months ago and forgot about.

I hate Spotify for a variety of other reasons. Once I've accumulated enough CD's or direct downloads to have a good sized library again i'm going to cancel it. But I do hope that whatever locally hosted open-source software I use for that will have tracking and analysis tools because it's fun.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Humans have a soft spot for collecting data. We have had people counting "how many black spots do I see looking directly at the sun" daily since 1749.

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

TranscriptionTweet by "delia" @delia_ai:

spotify the only tech company to figure out how to successfully rebrand "we've been tracking you" to "isn't this FUN"

You are a really kind user

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago

Last.fm was obviously first.

[–] Marinatorres@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Accurate: they turned ‘surveillance’ into ‘personalized vibes.’ Best branding trick is making people feel like the tracking is for them.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

In their defense, for a while there, they were the best algorithm out there. It was actually really good. Not anymore. It's fucking awful. One of the worst shuffles I've ever seen, super repetitive and actually insulting suggestions.

But also, everybody should dump Spotify for a shit ton of ethical and political reasons.

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tidal has gotten insufferably repetitive lately, too. I'm about to go back to a local music player if the situation doesn't improve, because I suspect the rest are just as bad.

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[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure last.fm has been around a lot longer than spotify

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Imagine the world with Big Data gone...

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm like I've of the few people that didn't use Spotify I guess. After Google music went away I tried it, god it sucked. I dropped it in 2 weeks. Between Amazon music and Sirius xm I get the music I want.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Putting aside spotify being a bad company in general. What is it about the app itself that makes it so bad in your opinion? I ask this as someone who hasn't used any other modern platform, wondering what i am missing by using spotify.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I understand that this is "old men yell at clouds" shit, but is it really that hard to say "is" after "Spotify"?

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