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[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 22 hours ago
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

If they truly believe in their AI offerings, they should release them as an extension so users can choose to install them. You only bundle shit people don't want. If it's good, you distribute it stand-alone.

[–] NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 17 hours ago

It's not possible to bundle everything as an extension. Some things do not work that way.

[–] group_hug@sh.itjust.works 1 points 17 hours ago

The people are the product. You think anything is built for the end users benefit? These things only exist to spy on you, track you and spam ads for the benefit of a few billionaires that are In power so the can further enrich themselves and hold onto/increase their power.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Firefox to evolve into not existing.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Yeah I just don't understand the strategy here. You're not going to Out-AI Google and Microsoft, and so I don't know who both wants an "AI Browser" but wants an alternative to the offerings of those companies.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 2 points 20 hours ago

Usually i would say people just won't care. But firefox only has like a 2% user base anyway, and that makes me think that it's mainly by enthusiasts, and they are more likely to just hop off. I hope they go down with their shitty AI and set an example.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Hey tech companies. Consumers do not want more AI, they want less of it. Maybe we just need to get the word out?

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly this. I would love to see just one tech company stand up and say we are not doing AI, our AI budget is $0 and our product will not ship with AI. If you really want to use AI with our system you can download a plug-in or something but we won't waste our time writing one.

They would get a million users overnight.

[–] coolmojo@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago
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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 72 points 1 day ago (3 children)

WTF man, I just want a fucking browser.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

No you don't, now suck down your government mandated AI slop and say thank you — you philistine.

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[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

But why !? Chatbots are useful enough, I don't need AI anywhere else than when I explicitly choose to use it on my terms !

You wanna make money ? Make a chatbot that lies less and/or doesn't reinforce people into their delusions, or one that runs for cheaper, or both.

AI is useful. Just like knives are useful. Doesn't mean I want every object I own to also somehow be or contain multiple knives 😅

More often than not, a faster horse is actually all we need.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 day ago (10 children)

First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it.

That's a good idea to put first. Of course, like do no evil, priorities change, so we'll need to keep a close eye on this.

Second: our business model must align with trust. We will grow through transparent monetization that people recognize and value.

Transparent is good, but if he things he's going to add value to monetization, he's smoking crack. There's nothing we want from a browser that's not already provided by a plugin.

Third: Firefox will grow from a browser into a broader ecosystem of trusted software. Firefox will remain our anchor. It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.

Nobody wants that. We already had all we wanted from them in trusted software.

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[–] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

how would this afffect the forked versions like Waterfox, LibreWolf, IronFox? The AI part is a separated feature from mainline Firefox branch, so forks can choose not to include it?

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[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Hahaha fuck Firefox. Been saying it for years. Used to be the goat. Hasn't been for a decade and a half.

[–] xartle@reddthat.com 41 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I don't think anyone actually read the announcement, just the headline. Here was the new CEOs actual first point.

"First: Every product we build must give people agency in how it works. Privacy, data use, and AI must be clear and understandable. Controls must be simple. AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn off. People should know why a feature works the way it does and what value they get from it."

[–] Dazed_Confused@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (12 children)

AI should always be a choice — something people can easily turn ~~off~~ on. That's how it should be.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

It should read:

AI should always be opt-in

There was no easy way to turn it off without meddling with about:config. If they were serious and true to their word this would've been be the default from the start.

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[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

First, there should be a survey on what users actually want, no?

Because if no one wants AI and it's "always a choice", what you really do is waste considerable resources with as the only results, more settings users have to go through before starting using their browsers.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

there is absolutely zero reason to put ai in firefox

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[–] BigEye@mgtowlemmy.org 2 points 23 hours ago

Chrome =/= Chromium, like Android =/= AOSP folks.. just to clarify.

LibreWolf all the way

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I like to imagine that these CEOs just get like a million AI emails a day from alt accounts of Sam Altman begging them to put AI in everything and they're all too stupud to realize it.

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Nope, time for a new browser.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 322 points 2 days ago (19 children)

WE. DON'T. WANT. THIS.

Mozilla, for the love of god, stop cramming AI into the browser when the vast majority of your users just want a privacy-respecting browser that works.

I've said it before, and I've said it again: I will not donate any more money to the Mozilla foundation until they stop cramming AI into everything, and you should too.

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[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago

Welp, time to move to waterfox for good

[–] gtr@programming.dev 45 points 1 day ago
[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well hopefully the different forks have their ducks in a row to strip all these “features” out down the road. So glad I use LibreWolf and not Firefox proper anymore

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