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MP allegedly greeted a party colleague at German parliament building ‘with a heel click and a Hitler salute’

Berlin prosecutors say they have charged a member of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland party with making a Nazi salute in parliament.

The suspect allegedly “greeted a party colleague … at the east entrance to the Reichstag building with a heel click and a Hitler salute” in June 2023, the prosecutors said in a statement issued on Monday.

Making such a salute is illegal in Germany and is punishable by up to three years in prison.

The newspaper Bild named the politician as Matthias Moosdorf, 60, a member of parliament for Zwickau in the former East German state of Saxony.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

It's always those you suspect the most

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 38 points 1 day ago (9 children)

arrest them all. dissolve the party. explain this to the people that AfD is compromised by Russia to undermine Germany.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

Just use the words "They are a national security threat," and you can pretty much do whatever needs to be done.

Nazis are Nazis, you don't need external interference claims (not questioning the claim itself) to arrest them all and dissolve the party. The reality is that this only gets done to leftist parties in Europe.

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[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From the guys Wikipedia page:

“In 2024 Moosdorf accepted a part-time honorary professor position at Gnessin Russian Academy of Music in Moscow.

The school, financed by Russia’s culture ministry, made headlines just days after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, when a staff member performed a concert wearing a black sweatshirt with the letter “Z” on it, which symbolizes support for Moscow’s war.

“Music knows no ideological boundaries,” Moosdorf wrote on Facebook, adding that accepting the professorship is “a sign of understanding.”

“I want to give the young people there [in Russia] the feeling that they are not left behind in Europe,” Moosdorf said. He added that he spent three days in Moscow in September to give an inaugural lecture and plans to go back a few days every quarter to teach chamber music”

Seems like a reeeaaal nice guy huh /s

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Music knows no ideological boundaries

What even does that mean? It's fine to say or whatever you want, as long as you can put it in some musical context?

Imma write a jolly song then to the tune of the Battle Hymn of the Republic, with the chorus being "Murder, murder all dictators × 3 / Sic temper Tyrannis", see how happy they are to ignore that one.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm guessing he's talking orchestral music with no lyrics. But "___ is not ideological" or "___ is not political" is exactly the sort of thing people say about stuff that is constantly political. It seems like he was just bought by Russia.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

"___ is not political" just pairs nicely with "I'm not into politics". The perfect excuse to hold a political stance while also ignoring all the other political issues: moving the target so it matches where you hit.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (7 children)

No good comes from this. This is the equivalent threatening or intending for violence.

And yet, I'm told by another user, a free speech absolutist, that this is absolutely normal and should be protected.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

this is absolutely normal and should be protected

I mean, to take a line from Inglorious Bastards

I 'magine you're gonna take off that handsome-lookin' S.S. uniform of yours, ain'tcha?... That's what I thought. Now that I can't abide... I mean, if I had my way... you'd wear that goddamn uniform for the rest of your pecker-suckin' life.

I much prefer the Nazis who are wearing their beliefs on their sleeves.

Only problem is that they don't ever come out of the woodwork until they've got safety in numbers.

The problem Germany has in the modern day isn't a bunch of schlubs throwing up Nazi salutes. Its the much larger pool of industrial and media insiders who have goaded them into it, financed their little fascist friend-groups, and sponsored them to seize power to the benefit of the far-right plutocracy.

Liberals panick when they see the former, but they're constantly trying to win over the latter. You can't clean your house of insects if you keep trying to make friends with the Queen Bee.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

They forgot they're not at home.

[–] SereneSadie@quokk.au 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nazis doing a Nazi salute. Wow. So shocking.

Good job Germany. You're giving platforms to your own past shame in the freaking government, and covering for their modern counterparts (Israel) in the same breath.

[–] tehsillz@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He got charged.. Meaning it's not ok and illegal

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but the political party this one person comes from (and exemplifies) is gaining ground rapidly in the German government.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe then the problem is the people?

[–] besmtt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's how I took it when they said "Good job Germany."

[–] Fmstrat@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

I always find this amusing. When people say things like "Get it together, Country!" or ,"What's going on with Country?", the country becomes this amorphous thing vs a culmination of it's population.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don't charge you for doing the hitler salute in 'merica no more. Some glorify it.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

charged with making nazi salute at Reichstag

Native german speaker:

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

This post includes misinformation. Bild is not a newspaper.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

While "Bild" is actually a horrible rag worth being published in England, this does not change the fact that AfD members are Nazis. And one was stupid enough to show it in the open.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They’re saying Bild is a tabloid, which while accurate, is a type of newspaper.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Nope. A newspaper contains news. A tabloid contains headlines. I beg to differ.

Fair enough. It's just a tabloid rag then.

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago

Awful toiletpaper?

A hateful comic maybe

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

He was stupid enough to show it. The rest of that pack is not a iota better.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Should be punishable by firing squad.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Germany abolished the death penalty and for good reason.

You should never give the state the right to execute its own citizens

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[–] Luckaneer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Worrying that, for those sans a fucking morel compass/shred of intelligence, the human meme memory for this shit might just be ~75 years..

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

‘Lebenslüge’, the myth that German racism began and ended with the Holocaust

You can't re-nazify if you never de-nazified to begin with. Nazis were rebranded and re-incorporated into the new East and West German governments practically before the smoke was clear. While the Russians were quick to round up and execute more Nazis than their ratline-loving Capitalist peers, both governments' police services were thick with former Wauffen SS officers by the turn of the decade.

We had Hitler's Chief of Staff running NATO, ffs.

Despite his extensive knowledge and participation in war crimes, he later became a general for West Germany and served as head of the West German military from 1957 to 1961 as well as Chairman of the NATO Military Committee from 1961 to 1964.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why does it take in excess of 2 years to trial someone? Broken system

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

You can have a fair and equitable court system, or you can have a fast one; rarely if ever both. True justice tends to be slow and steady and helps to account for public witch-hunts and reduce risk of someone innocent being. People always say, "Yeah well this one is obvious!" but that's not how justice works. It must be absolute. It must be there for the lowest of hanging fruit if it is to be there for the more nuanced cases just the same.

On the other hand, sadly, a slow and unfair one are not mutually-exclusive.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago

I'd prioritize violent offenses first, but also you do not know the details. Obviously the prosecution wants to assure they have an iron clad case when pursing a charge against a political figure. This is to ensure they are not accused of bias. The offense was 2 years ago, but you don't know how long the investigation was. Also there are multiple ways for lawyers to delay trials. This is necessary to assure the accused get their full right to legal counsel. Also by giving the defense time it reduces the likelihood of mistakes that could be used to make an appeal.

So yeah lots of reasons

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