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[–] Kamsaa@lemmy.world 99 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That's not far left IMO, that's just left. This is a recurring problem we have in France too, where medias call "far left" parties that are just left. This is a slippery slope, the one on which Overton window slips towards the (far) right...

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 72 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Far left is: "We're going to destroy the very concept of private ownership and wealth accumulation"

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (28 children)

"... to meet everyone's basic needs"

[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (36 children)

"..."
"To meet everyone's basic needs, right?"

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[–] Kamsaa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The way I see it, between left and far left the direction is roughly the same, that's the means and end point that differ (i.e. revolution or not and how far we go into sharing resources). This is an important difference and they should thus not be mixed.

[–] marx@piefed.social 5 points 1 month ago

Also needs to be a clear distinction between democratic left and authoritarian left.

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[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 38 points 1 month ago (6 children)

You vote left because you want the best for the general good of society, you vote right because you want what's best for yourself, in particular.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The sad thing is, that's not even true.

Most poor world be better off under left wing ideals, yet they vote right wing anyway because they're scared that brown people will steal their crumbs.

[–] Cliff@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

(But actually that guy in the middle doesn't just have this plate full of cookies. He owns a huge vessel full of cookies)

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[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 27 points 1 month ago

Plenty of people also vote right based on hate and fear. They'll vote against there own best interests because of hate and fear.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You vote right because you want the people you don't like to suffer.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago

They vote right because cable news told them it's best for themselves. It's not.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's because we lefties say completely justified mean things about so-called 'centrists', and criticizing the literal record of centrism is tantamount to insulting a centrist's identity.

The centrists made up the term so they wouldn't have to face the fact that they're conservatives.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 17 points 1 month ago (19 children)

That's right, the centrists are conservatives and the so-called "conservatives" are really regressives at best, plenty of them fascists.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 12 points 1 month ago

We don't just call everyone we don't like fascists. But uh, them folks are fascists.

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[–] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 month ago

From Disco Elysium:

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They’re just people who are too weak and dumb to have real opinions and they just want to be in the in crowd

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[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 1 month ago

TranscriptionA Tweet by "Vivian" @suchnerve:

far left: we're gonna get everyone's basic needs met

far right: we're gonna exterminate entire social groups because they're impure

centrists: i literally cannot tell you two apart

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Your “far-left” is the centric, your “centric” are fascist accepting far-right, and your “far-right” is right extreme fascists…

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Can we be better than twitter with these bullshit fallacy arguments.

[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Even the left normalized the false narrative of “far left”. America does not have any “far left” party

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 7 points 1 month ago

Fishhook theory > horseshoe theory

[–] West_of_West@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (13 children)

I mean to be fair... groups that consider themselves far left also exterminate groups.

The trick is to not go too far. You wanna end up at Scandinavian liberal socialism, but not overshoot it to let's create a famine for kicks and kill all people wearing glasses.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (2 children)

consider themselves

Is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that statement.

[–] West_of_West@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

I think it's necissary when talking about "left governments" to have that caveat. I wouldn't personally consider the Khmer Rouge, USSR, or CCP, left wing but they did.

They are just different shades of authoritarianism.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I mean to be fair... groups that consider themselves far left also exterminate groups

[Citation needed]

The trick is to not go too far

Yeah, you wouldn't want society to become TOO egalitarian and fair! 🙄

You wanna end up at Scandinavian liberal socialism

Speaking as an actual Scandinavian leftie: nope. Not good enough.

Social Democratic Liberalism (which is what it actually is. Socialism is a very different thing) is still capitalist and thus exploitative at its core.

It's better than most, but it's far from the utopian ideal that people from the American Left tend to think it is.

but not overshoot it to let's create a famine for kicks and kill all people wearing glasses

You're thinking along the wrong axis there. There's a HUGE difference between ultra authoritarian leftism like that of the USSR and Pol Pot's Cambodia, and libertarian (original meaning, not bastardized American definition) leftism.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

So anything thats acturally left wing is bad? Because left wing means genuene real socialism, as in not capitalism socialism. As in the type of socialism that doesn't require oppressing the global south (which shouldn't even be a question).

LIBERALISM = REACTIONARY

SOCIALISM = REVOLUTIONARY

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Too bad the left has never had power in the US

Neoliberals don't want or allow things to improve

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