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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What's crazy to me is that this technology was used for only a few dozen years before it was replaced and for thousands of years beforehand there was nothing like it

[–] percent@infosec.pub 7 points 2 days ago

It's also interesting that it has made somewhat of a comeback after some newer technologies have faded away

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well sound is just wiggly air. You put the air wiggle onto the disk so later you can use the disk wiggle to make air wiggle.

He said never. That's an order.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 235 points 3 days ago (7 children)

It's actually quite straight forward. Inside the record player there's a small group of highly trained goblins. They watch the needle move side to side and they perfectly recreate the music using their tiny instruments.

Simple.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ah, very similar to the camera (iconograph) filled with fast painting imps.

https://wiki.lspace.org/Iconograph

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[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 117 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

It's not that hard to grasp I don't think. If you understand graphs of soundwaves, it's literally just the wave scratched into the plastic. The movement of the needle dictates the movement of the speaker membrane which results in the same movement in your eardrum. Which is what you percieve as sound.

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[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 66 points 3 days ago (8 children)

What I don't get, personally, is how this one scratched-in groove wave can contain a bassline, a melody and a singing voice and they all can be differentiated coming out of the speaker.

How speakers work in general is just black magic to me, actually.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 102 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So there's this thing called a Fourier series...

Basically any wave can be created by adding together individual frequencies, and with some fancy math it's possible to go the other way with a Fourier transform and get how loud every frequency is (like is displayed in a spectrogram).

I think the real black magic is in how our ears and brains can decode the mess of information coming in and identify meaningful patterns.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A nice related bookmark I have saved. There's also interactive pert with a slider where you can draw a wave and then add more and more sinusoids to get closer and closer. And of course the square wave, with infinite sinusoids (theoretically).
https://www.jezzamon.com/fourier/

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[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's because it doesn't, your brain does

Speakers do the simplest thing possible and literally just vibrate. A recording being played literally just recreates a recorded vibration. It's a tiny choreography that your ears are incredibly sensitive for.

All the fancy stuff happens in our brains, after our ears has split up the sound around us into different ranges of frequencies (you can think of the hairs in the inner ears as tuning forks). We learn to recognize which frequencies goes together, and then we learn how the frequencies from multiple sources can overlap, and we learn what it all means

The real crazy part is how something as simple as sound can carry so much information and how reliably our brains can tell it all apart and make sense of it

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[–] nocturne@slrpnk.net 33 points 3 days ago (4 children)

How speakers work in general is just black magic to me, actually.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago

An easier way to understand it, without knowing the math, is to know how it's made. You play audio into a very similar device and it's needle scratches the grooves. When you then have a needle pick up the grooves it's moving the exact same way the needle was forced to move by the original.

It's similar to how a speaker and a microphone are basically the same device. If you take a speaker and plug it into a microphone input, it still works (though they're tuned differently so it's not as good). A microphone has a crystal vibrate, which creates an electric signal. If you play that electric signal into a crystal it vibrates and creates the same sound.

There's no math or anything being done for this to work. It's purely mechanical. It's just a copy of what the needle did when sound was played into it, so another needle running through it recreates the same sound. You can use math to represent it, but none is being done by the device (other than just the laws of physics).

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Even simpler to visualize: Its the movement of the membrane of the speaker/microphone turned into a physical line.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 16 points 3 days ago (7 children)

That explains just a tiny part. There are so many different sounds at the same volume and frequency

[–] gnu@lemmy.zip 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

All the sounds get mixed together as they approach you (as they compress the same air), by the time it gets to your ear it can be represented by one complex wave.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Like when you flatten all the layers in a graphics project.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Simple. Sounds are vibrations. The grooves make the needle vibrate. Those vibrations are amplified.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah the basic concept makes sense to me, but I'm still fascinated by the level of detail and instrumentation they can fit into those tiny grooves. It's not like midi, like a piano roll, it is playing back shit that was recorded. It's cool af.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago (8 children)

How does it seem like multiple sounds come through at the same time though? Say drums and vocals and a guitar, all at once. How does one groove equate to all of that?

[–] psycotica0@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Highly basic answer, let's say the strength of the vocals wave over time is:

5, 4, 3, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4

And drums is:

4, 0, 2, 0, 4, 0, 2, 3

Then you add them together for each time slice and get:

9, 4, 5, 2, 7, 4, 7, 7

And you put that on a record, or out to a speaker, and our ears are able to break that up into the two parts when it hears it. This is the same as when two things are in the room making sound, there may be two sources, but my ear only has one hole, and that hole has one eardrum behind it. The different sounds just add their powers together and hit my ear as one mixed wave.

Alternative answer: magic

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[–] SirHery@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Well if you put multiple waveforms above eachother the form on single waveform.(They all occupie the same space,in this case air, so they can't be "separate"). This waveform is then recorded and remastered and whatnot. But basically the waves you can see on the vinyl are the "schape" they will have in the air.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

Take it back. How does the vibrating air equate to all that? It's not like there's a drums bit of air and a vocals bit of air - the vibration is all smushed together. Your brain separates it back out again. That's why it can take training to separately hear some bits of music, or why you can't usually pick out individual voices in a choir.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago

That's the neat part, the brain does that using some black magic. You just have to add all the sounds individual waves together and the brain deciphers it.

[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can add the waveforms together mathematically. Like if you go into a graphing calculator and plot a sine at 220 hz that's an A note. Then add two more at 261(ish) and 329, baby you got yourself an A minor cookin'. That's also what the groove would look like.

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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 14 points 3 days ago

Yeah it literally just the waveform in physical form. I couldn't think of a better way to visualize it.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Anything sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.

I'm convinced this is magic.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's only weird once electrons get involved.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 days ago

I agree, I'm still amazed that this shit works as well as it does.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

A cello is just a bit of wood with some stringy Bois, but it sounds like heaven and hell and everything in-between when played right.

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's 4:30am and thanks to this thread I'm listening to Dave Brubeck on vinyl........

[–] BoosBeau@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just count to five and you'll be alright

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sound is vibration. A record is a vibration frozen in place.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 36 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Technology Connections](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DdUvoc7tJ4)

The video explains how a single needle can play stereo sound, but in doing so explains how the basic idea works before going into the incredible design to do two channels.

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[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (7 children)

How about this one to blow your mind further:

This urn from 1552.

Because of how it was made, they could play back the sounds around the potter who fabricated it.

I thought they had done the same with some Roman parchment, but all I can find are links to stories on that one.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago

Consider this: every record I play has a faint recording of the room, every time it has been played, since no turntable or cartridge is perfectly isolated, and, being diamond rubbing against vinyl, will leave some trace of the room sound behind.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Records are very easy to understand. Even without a microscope, you can see periodic patterns on test vinyls with beeps. And sound being periodic motion is also obvious from string and percussive instruments.

You can even see tracks starting and ending on pressed CDs under the right lighting with your own eyes. I wonder, is the encoding of silence (approx. 2 seconds) really that different or does the density of grooves or pit/land pattern intentionally differ to help the player seek there faster? I know that uncompressed audio naturally results in a repeated pattern when silence is encoded but given the 8-to-14 modulation and other error correctiion techniques, I find it hard to believe it would result in significantly different density unless they specifically added a special mode just for encoding silence that makes the track brighter-colored for easier coarse seeking.

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[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's really simple.

Sound is air vibrations at different strengths (volume) and frequencies (pitch). Taller waves are loud. Thinner waves are higher pitched. The math looks like this:

Volume * sin( Pitch * time)

Generally, low pitch sounds are louder and easier to see in a sound wave. A kick is really easy to spot. The rest of the weird janky movement of the sound wave is like a bunch of these equations added up to create the sound... generally.

The trick to understanding sound is that it's a difference over time. The change in pressure is registered by your brain. A record player is literally just the physical transcription of this math and the speaker is just oscillating back and forth to reproduce the sound.

Okay maybe it's not super simple, but I hope this helps.

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