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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Now that the US is sending them to Saudi, how secure will they be from investigation by foreign adversaries?

Plus, the entire supply chain system of relying on the US for software and hardware updates, having to physically send the planes to the US for maintenance, all while the US continues to talk about annexing us is completely fucking bonkers.

Even without the annexation threats the setup would be stupid.

I know it’s a fancy and advanced plane, but knowing how the US military industrial complex works I’m pretty sure you’re paying a high multiplier for no reason too.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

I fucking hope so

[–] Kyle_The_G@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been commenting on a bunch of threads the best way to deal with a bully is to tell them to fuck off and go play with everyone else in the playground. Glad we're taking the first few steps in the right direction.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

the best way to deal with a bully is to tell them to fuck off

Works best when the bully isn't stupid rich and surrounded by psychopath security guards.

A big reason why oil-rich oligarchies buy American military hardware is to avoid getting the heavy end of the "regime change" stick bounced off their heads.

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[–] Toto@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago
[–] Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't a major problem with the F35 that they can't fly in the Canadian north? Shouldn't we have at least some of our fleet that can be used throughout Canadian territory in our defense?

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 20 hours ago

I think they work fine as long as the hydraulic fluid is actually hydraulic fluid, and not water.

Don't leave your drums outside in the rain.

[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The Gripen is certainly not as advanced as F-35 but its operating costs per flight hour are only 1/5th of the F-35 which is definitely a big consideration when you don't have a US-sized defense budget.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago (3 children)
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Canada should never trust any US military contractor ever again

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

If we MUST get the jets from the US perhaps they'd consider a trade of some fighter jets for deez nutz

[–] Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 4 points 19 hours ago

Yes. We don’t want the fascist us F35’s keep them and stick em where the sun don’t shine.

[–] GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago
[–] ragepaw@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

Thing the article conveniently leaves out, at least one of the "retired air force officers" works at (or did, seems to be some obfuscation) Lockheed Martin.

Of course they are against switching, they will lose their cushy lobbyist jobs.

[–] Sunshine@piefed.ca 8 points 1 day ago

MAGA would hate Canada escaping their abuse.

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago
[–] org2001@lemmy.radio 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (8 children)

You do realize that the Gripen Fighter Jet uses General Electric Engines ... USA still has control over Sweden's Gripen Fighter Jets ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen

[–] lime@feddit.nu 4 points 19 hours ago

they were originally made in sweden on license by volvo aerospace. now that's part of bae systems, but the entire thing is modular and if worse comes to worst, the drawings are probably still around.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have no idea about the technical aspects but, with Murica not being an ally anymore, the F35 basically needing permission from Lockheed Martin to take off, and the F35 tech in the hands of the Saudi's and soon China... the F35s are worthless

[–] decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Okay so just to clarify what the software lockdown on F-35 means is that other country except the USA aren't allowed to create update to the software. Exception for Israel and maybe the UK (don't quote me) are allowed to modify the software themselves.

It doesn't mean a instant kill switch. But it does mean that if the USA decides to block someone from update it's much harder for a country to make their own update.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (3 children)

is it actually possible for the USA to stop one of these jets from functioning?

if the answers is anything other than "absolutely impossible, no matter what", these jets are worthless

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 1 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I doubt they have a kill switch in the sense of making the jet fall out of the sky at the push of a button. But if they can stop you from updating its software or maintaining it that'll render it useless pretty quickly, so that's close enough IMO. They just need a little lead time on their invasion plans.

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[–] mintiefresh@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago

Elbows up!!

[–] potatoguy@lemmy.eco.br 9 points 1 day ago

The Gripen is quite interesting, who would have guessed that licensing fighter jets for manufacturing on other countries (Embraer is building them too, Colombia bought some, other countries seem to want it too) would be a good strategy?

I'll wait 50 years for a Gripen to be sold on Aliexpress for 150 thousand dollars, 250 thousand with replacement parts with a cool paint job.

[–] RandomStickman@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

Euro canards my beloved

[–] remon@ani.social 11 points 1 day ago

I hope they do it! It's one of the few countries that can do it without hurting itself too much.

[–] CaptainPedantic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Damn that's a sexy plane. Delta wing and canards? Hell yeah.

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