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And if they are digital, how has there not been any sort of hack? ‘Anonymous’ or foreign actors would surely love to have a chance to air the dirty laundry, no?

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

anonymous is incapable of doing more than a ddos attack it's just some guys on irc

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes and no. The vast majority are just script kiddies who want to be edgy. The real power (and drawback) of Anonymous lies in the fact that anyone can claim to be a part of it. Anyone can hack something, then attribute it to Anonymous.

The reason Anonymous doesn’t get more huge public hacks is because the people doing the hacking largely aren’t interested in giving attribution to some giant faceless organization that didn’t help with the hack. It’s sort of a catch-22, where anyone can claim to be Anonymous, but the venn diagram of “really good black hat hackers” and “people who are willing to give credit to some faceless organization that hasn’t helped them at all” is two almost entirely separate circles. The best black hat hackers largely aren’t interested in it, because they’re hacking for money or prestige, not politics.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

I think that, with that in mind, the entire world got much more self centered, which is the reason there is so little protest against such violations in the US, and, why hackers these days are much more busy with self image and money

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 110 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember when the Panama Papers were leaked, that exposed many celebrities who were involved in tax fraud and other criminal activities?

Remember how much it affected the involved people?

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 74 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I remember the people who leaked them were killed.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] No1@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bro, they know where you are

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 1 day ago

A fake id works better than a guy fawkes mask

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 176 points 3 days ago (14 children)

They already faked a suicide for a dude in prison to keep that info from getting out, that's a hell of a warning.

[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 83 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Worse, Snowden did leak an absurd amount of gov details and documents and info and it did nothing to stop what's happening. People barely acknowledged it.

Maybe someone would martyr themselves. But doing it for nothing? Not appealing.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dude, it changed a ton. Facebook was http only back then. Huuuuuge roll-out of encryption followed the Snowdon leaks.

It lead to massive increases in secured public infrastructure.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, the Snowden leaks didn’t change a ton for the end users… But it was a big kick in the pants for the site admins, programmers, database admins, etc who build all of the internet’s infrastructure. The mindset shift from “I just need to keep my server secure from external attacks” to “I need to keep my server secure from external attacks and make sure every end user remains secure” was massive. Before the Snowden leak, many site admins basically had the mentality of “eh, nobody will be interested in intercepting my unencrypted traffic. It’s not like this is high security stuff anyways…”

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It did actually have some effect, though. The GDPR and countries reducing their dependence on the USA's intelligence services are part of it.

I'm also reminded of the Panama Papers, which did make some bankers in Iceland step down.

[–] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And yet governments are trying to buy palantir access. There should be more opposition.

Yeah, the government’s big shift from “spy on our citizens” to “create a private corporation and pay them to spy on our citizens” was largely driven by public scrutiny. Governments realized that people were watching what they did online. And rather than stop encroaching on peoples’ privacy, the various governments simply shifted towards hiring private contractors to do it for them.

A giant “Spy Agency To Definitely Spy On All Of Our Own Citizens: Fifty Bajillion Dollars” line item on the government budget looks bad when lawmakers go to vote on it. But that same fifty bajillion dollars allocated to “Private Government Contractor 19452046” looks a lot better on paper.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Exactly. Palantir is American terrorism and infiltration.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 2 points 2 days ago

Uh... No the bankers got all pardoned and all agencies pardoned nothing was changed

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[–] khepri@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Same reason that Putin's enormous archives of blackmail materials on the world's rich and powerful haven't leaked. It ain't like they keep this stuff in a zip file on a web server where you just have to know the address it's at and crack a couple passwords...we're talking isolated, air-gapped systems and physical archives where you would need in-person access to view the material, and are under strict observation the entire time you are viewing the files.

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[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago

Didn’t daddy musk say he had them?

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Probably to keep them legitimate. If leaked nobody would believe them.

Make them release it officially and people might take it seriously.

[–] sniggleboots@europe.pub 35 points 3 days ago

Officially released by the current administration? I can't think of any other avenue that would make the release less legitimate

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Turns out it's generally hard to hack something but occasionally there is a mistake allowing someone else in. Just don't count on it.

Assume the files have been marked and that they would know it's you who leaked it. You'd probably get prosecuted at the very least and if there is a vote to release the files you'll go to prison for nothing.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I don't know if this is true, but I think it's because they're really old. If you look at all of the previous documents, they're photos of text, emails, and some of them books. They're not transcribed, so hard to search.

Also, you have to have levels of trust that the docs are real. These have been in a bunch of people's hands, but who do you send it too where it gets the biggest bang as being legit? NYT isn't all that trusted. Maybe The Guardian?

But then, you're also putting your own life on the line. What's Snowden or Reality up to these days? I can see why it's complicated.

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[–] IHeartBadCode@fedia.io 22 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A lot of the Epstein files has been released. However, there are some things not released. Something I'll refer people to HR 4405

Now in that, let's look at section C of that bill:

would jeopardize an active federal investigation or ongoing prosecution, provided that such withholding is narrowly tailored and temporary

This is a big deal, because Judges ordering things to not be release CAN NOT be released no matter who says so. This is a separation of powers thing. A lot of things are withheld from the public because it's part of various legal cases. The most recent one I can think of is JP Morgan paying out that $290M to victims and there was like some amount paid to the Virgin Islands.

Now the stuff that's wrapped up by the Judges, if someone leaks any of that, they are going to prison. And the people who are handling those files are very well aware of the consequences of if they say peep about what they've seen.

This is the part where people are like "what if Trump destroys some evidence?" Well a lot of that evidence was turned over to the courts during Biden. So if the DoJ suddenly made things start disappearing, it's not going to match up with what the court already knows about.

Many people already know what's in these files. They know what's going to be brought in legal cases. They also know what would happen to them it if they leaked anything they've already seen. And a lot of this information has been steady released to the public.

So this brings up, what the fuck is Congress bitching about then? What Congress is attempting to do, is code into law a requirement for the information to released to the public no matter what might be contained, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS AS NOTED IN SECTION C. What this law would do, is not just ensure that justice if done but also ensure that the public is aware of all the details behind the case.

You know how like some court cases will happen and not everything presented in court is released to the public? Well this would codify into law the requirement to release all of that to the public. Of course, AFTER any kind of trial it was used in, if it wasn't released before a trail began.

[–] MrSmiley@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So if Trump directs the doj to open an investigation, it shields him from any more files released?

https://apnews.com/article/epstein-trump-clinton-investigation-justice-department-d0ce8385cb7f42705ac068310e3231be

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 2 days ago

Nope the "public" knew about major fraud on a massive scale several times and did nothing. They can decide not to punish it seems

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[–] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Blackmail material is only powerful as a threat. Releasing material from it makes the remainder less powerful. If you raise the stakes a little by adding some small details, an association here, a plausibly deniable link there, you can enhance the fear of the person on the other end of the blackmail without ruining the value of what you have. So depending on what people want they can get better results by keeping that information hidden.

On top of that most people who get dirt on one person get dirt on many people. You may want to take down one person but by if you release some stuff from the files then someone on the other side can burn people on your side. Mutually assured destruction will paralyse everyone.

As an outside to everyone I want all of it released because in my mind anyone implicated is either an active predator or someone who tolerates predators. But if you have paid good money to have a specific member of congress get into office and they are able to act in your favour then it doesn't matter if they have a D or an R, they are yours. It is very expensive to get someone who understands the game into office and under your thumb. Much better to prevent the whole system from becoming unpredictable due to lots of sudden new blood and to keep known actors in place. Members on both sides of the aisle want the files locked away forever, meaning they want to protect predators. The failure to act is a choice, not an accident.

To be clear, I am including foreign actors, massive companies, all sorts of people. If you have an asset that can protect another asset without knowing then you generally would do so.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The only defence I can think of for not releasing them is that they are written in code that could destroy people for doing nothing other than having met him and there is no reference key.

E.g Mr X, a1 4d b2

Mr Y, a1 3f b2

A1 means "Straight and unmarried" but 4d means "Totally a Pedo" and 3f means "Will probably call the police if you even hint at it" and b2 is "Drinks heavily, doesnt do drugs"

Now thats a heavy handed example but look at all the conjecture about who "Bubba" is... Now imagine the conspiracy theorists if thats what the lists look like. That all being said even if they dont make them public the fact that they have these files and theres been no arrests is fucking shameful.

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 2 days ago

You mean encryption.

We mean unencrypted information. We meant release the unencrypted information

[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 1 points 2 days ago

Nope, none of my assets would be more important than kids used by paedophiles

[–] SharkyAttack@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just seems like there is such universal interest in ‘releasing’ them that something should have leaked by now. You hear the argument about the moon landing or other conspiracy theories that it would take so many people colluding to hide the truth it would be impossible not to leak, how many people have access to “the files”, and if there is a vote to release them, who just pushes the button or whatever to make that happen? (And in no way am I suggesting they are not real and only a conspiracy theory, just giving an analogy)

the thing with the moon landing (or spaceflight in general) is that it's very easy to verify for other countries since many of the satellites send a radio signal all the time and you can actually receive that radio signal from other sides of the world. this way, you know where satellites are (if they want to be discovered). so, we know Yuri Gagarin made it to space because of the radio signal, and the same would likely be true for the moon landings (although i actually hadn't checked so far).

[–] TheAsianDonKnots@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

With the names that have already been released, the ringleader dead under mysterious circumstances, and lack of whistleblower protections… I’m assuming no one is stupid enough to leak/hack the files when there are legal paths to release the information (ie FOIA). Groups you cited like Anonymous act when no one else can or will.

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