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Younger men threw their support behind Donald Trump in 2024 after favoring Biden in 2020

The United States is still not ready for a female president after more than a century of unsuccessful campaigns for the White House, according to former First Lady Michelle Obama.

“As we saw in this past election, sadly, we ain’t ready,” Obama said earlier this month in a live conversation with actor Tracee Ellis Ross that was published Friday.

“That’s why I’m like, don’t even look at me about running, because you all are lying,” she said. “You’re not ready for a woman. You are not. So don’t waste my time.”

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Besides the entire "eeeeekkk a woman in the white house!!" Thing, can we please not have Michelle Obama there? I don't want families who time after time contro the government, fuck that.

If someone omin a family becomes president it should automatically rule out any other family member from even running for a presidency

[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Neoliberals can fuck right off. I'll vote for AOC.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

The claim is against the nation, not any one individual voter. She's right.

The way they treated her and spoke of her while she was First Lady, i don’t blame her for wanting nothing to do with politics. Plenty of low key racists on the left too, so she would get it from all sides

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It’s funny how depending on the topic, third party votes and stay-home whiners either mattered or didn’t matter. Anyone else notice this?

We’ve got people here saying that KH lost because of her centrist take- meaning, she would have won had she had more leftist appeal-

And then when you bring up the idea that KH wouldn’t have brought American democracy to its knees, and we wouldn’t be here had the protest votes and stay-home-complainers voted, they immediately pivot and spam articles that say otherwise.

They simultaneously had a great effect- and had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election. It’s mind-numbing and fascinating at the same time.

Someone call science. We have another uncertainty principle! A far-leftist both matters, and doesn’t matter to an election based wholly on the perceived results!

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I get flamed around here so often cause I will call out protest non voters at every given opportunity. I really hope it is worth the literal cost of human lives they sacrificed to enjoy the smell of their own farts.

Edit: I love that I pissed off at least two of you lazy fucks.

Edit 2: holy shit, I'm surprised I got back to positive numbers.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

bootlickers when their fellow bootlickers realize there's very little difference between the polished boot and the boot covered in mud because you're still licking a boot.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

They simultaneously had a great effect- and had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the election.

Its undeniable that Harris lost on the margins in a number of critical swing Midwestern states. And that she dramatically underperformed among Muslim voters in these states. So you can point to - say - Rashida Tlaib's MI-12 district and notice how she ran far behind her outspokenly anti-genocide Congressional peer, while the Dem running for the Michigan Senate Seat won her race that same year. Meanwhile, you can look at her performance in Florida or Texas and notice how her tack to the right failed to pick up any conservative voters in Big Red States.

And you can conclude that Harris's decision to embrace Liz Cheney and Cindy McCain in the last weeks of the election didn't do her any favors. You might even conclude that it hurt her chances.

At the same time, you could notice that Trump managed to top his 2016 and 2020 turnout, conclude Harris simply didn't have what it took to win in the face of a MAGA wave year, and just scratch 2024 off as a bad year for Democrats that was beyond any campaign-level antics to fix.

Meanwhile, you can pop over to NYC in 2025 and note how Andrew Cuomo - running a very Biden-esque conservative democrat campaign for mayor in a city that has historically rewarded conservative candidates (Giuliani, Bloomberg, and Adams) - got utterly washed by an outspoken DSA State Senator. So, clearly something in the political landscape is changing.

Someone call science.

The problem with elections is that they aren't neatly reproducible. So you can observe and document the results. And you can speculate on cause and effect. But you're juggling a lot of variables that can shift within margin of error of one another in confusing ways.

How do you explain Hillary and Harris losing to Trump by inches while Biden won in a landslide? Two ladies and a dude. Must be gender that done it.

Alternatively, you can claim Hillary and Harris were too conservative and Biden was "The Most Leftist President since FDR".

Alternatively, you can just blame pendulum politics and note Hillary and Harris were following Dem Presidents while Biden got to run against an unpopular Republican.

Idfk. But its not something you can just throw the Periodic Table at to get an answer.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yea, it’s toootally the sexism and not the absolute dog shit policies. Hilary even won the popular vote. Fuck off with this victim card crap.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

TBF we elected the white man with the exact same platform and owners as Kamala.

The only real difference between her and Biden was her skin color and gender.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

There were many many other differences, you just choose not to see them. The main example being that for Kamala’s election we just had 4 years of Democrat ruling so voters with a gnat attention span already forgot what Trump was like.

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[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No, Biden was elected after Trump 1. Then people wanted more change and it became very clear that Biden was not going to win his reelection (not because of policies alone). Harris simply didn't either, but she didn't lose where the old white man would have won in the same circumstances and everything else equal. Harris being equal to Biden is what lost votes, not her gender.

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[–] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 105 points 3 days ago (13 children)

I agree Michelle shouldn’t run. I’d argue, though, that we’re ready for a woman leader, but we need one presented without a bunch of past baggage (Hillary) or a party agenda (Kamala and arguably Hillary, too) and with their own ideas and not what the think tank says will win.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 69 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I'd say it's pretty hard for a woman to both have enough experience to be taken seriously as a candidate and simultaneously have no past baggage or party agenda.

And I don't think most male candidates are held to that standard, either.

The misogyny is palpable. In the country as a whole.

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[–] JustKeepStretching@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago (4 children)

People laugh but I 100% believe AOC would win.

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[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shes right too many stupid people and insecure men in the states

[–] BiomedOtaku@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Nope, I'll just never vote for a chick to be president.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (19 children)

They said that about a black president. So. No. I don't agree. AOC is very popular.

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[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 days ago

Michelle Obama is not the woman I'm looking at to run. In fact, having launching the political careers if spouses and other family members on the political success of a family member is a terrible idea. This is the main reason why I thought having Hillary Clinton run for president was a bad idea, and I opposed Jeb Bush for the same reason (though I'd vastly preferred either over Trump).

Though I'm aware political dynasties in the US have a history going back all the way to the Adamses.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

We just don’t want neoliberals running. We’re done with that. Everyone is. I hope AOC runs.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not your genitals. It's because you're not a progressive

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also thank fuck she has no intentions of getting back into politics! But we had a kinda progressive option with Bernie. And the corpo dems torpedoed him harder than they ever fought against trump.

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[–] jdredbeard@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The problem with H. Clinton and Harris were that they were annointed. If a woman candidate was brought forth by a proper primary, I think she'd blow the Republican out of the water.

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Hogwash. Women have come within spitting distance of winning the presidency. Twice. Kamala and Hillary were both very unlikable candidates running no the same neoliberal platform that voters have rejected in the last three elections.

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[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Hillary won the nationwide popular vote, though.

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