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Why is the Republican party so content with denying healthcare as a human right, and trying everything they can to harm people who need any sort of assistance? Like.... How do they do it? How much are we talking here when we speak about tax savings for them?

Pretend I am rich? Like how much money am I getting back by Republicans kicking men off healthcare or destroying insurance for those who need it most. It must be alot right?

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[–] rantron@lemmy.zip 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

My brother's a CEO of a hospital. He makes over $400,000 a year. He told me that he votes for whatever candidate lowers his taxes. He cares about nothing else. Which is strange considering he's in the healthcare industry. But, he broke down the numbers for me and he voted for Trump over less than $10,000 a year. That's how much less tax is he pays. Like I said he cares about nothing else. He has a trans son, who he supports, however he will vote against his interest for under $10,000 a year. Year. I don't know that this is the answer you were looking for it is just the personal experience. Edit: for typos

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Your brother is what we would call a "leech".

Poor people who do the same as him would be put to sleep on the streets. But him? He gets tax breaks and he makes other peoples' lives a living hell.

I hope your brother encounters the consequences of his own actions. Fuck him.

[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is vaguely what my mom told me. "My paycheck was bigger under him last time" direct quote.

Its not hate FOR some other group its selfishness and greed and paranoia that someone is getting something over them.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

He has a trans son, who he supports

No, he objectively does not. Tolerates on a local level, sure, but not supports.

"I love you, son! I'm so proud of you for being your true self," he yelled from outside the burning building, holding the door shut, "but you're on the insurance policy, so the payout is better if you die!"

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

. He told me that he votes for whatever candidate lowers his taxes. He cares about nothing else.

Single issue voters. 🤦‍♀️

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This affects where people live too. blue states have higher tax and income tax so why would I live there ?

Maybe if we could directly see where every penny of our taxes go. But in the US its just blatant theft we try to avoid as much as possible. In other countries you actually see benefits of your taxes. Not here.

Still if I made 400k a year I wouldn't really give a crap. Its more when you make 40k a year and taxes take 25% you get a little upset.

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

When you earn $400k and lose $200k of it to taxes, you get more than a little upset.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Classic conservative math.

Tax rate is 35%? That's basically half!

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 6 days ago

Classic “there’s only 1 country in the world” math.

[–] rantron@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

He does not lose half or anywhere close, but hey if that helps you justify things🤷‍♂️

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Depends what country you’re in. I’m on far less than $400k and I pay around 40% income tax alone.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And do you vote in a 2 party system where one of them is following through on threats of dehumanizing immigrants, non-white citizens, and LGBTQ?

[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au -2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That’s not happening in the USA.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago

Nice rock. Sorry your taxes are so high under there.

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Alt-Right Playboook: Always A Bigger Fish explains that conservatives have a strong preference of hierarchy and order. They have this preference even if they are low on the hierarchy. They reason that maybe they themselves didn't work hard enough, weren't smart enough, or whatever, so don't deserve to be higher up. They gain a sort of comfort from "knowing their place." Those lower than them on the hierarchy deserve even less.

I think this explanation is spot-on, and is more or less true for every "conservative" I've known. I suppose fascism also has this love of hierarchy, which is what the Republican party really is now (or, at least, very similar to it).

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I was gonna say "delusion", but you beat me to it.

And with more detail!

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

It's really just exclusive-validity identity politics, which has roots DEEP in many mammal-species..

Here https://www.amazon.com/Immunity-Change-Potential-Organization-Leadership-ebook/dp/B004OEILH2/ you can read the beginning of a book which explains how our unconscious-minds fight off any growing-up, fighting-off change..

In it, it describes 3 unconscious-mind-development-stages, which I call Kegan3, Kegan4, & Kegan5, simply because there are SO many different systems-of-stages-or-dimensions to keep mindful-of, like Kahneman+Tversky-1 & Kahneman+Tversky-2 ( imprint->reaction system, lower-forebrain, the ideology/prejudice/trained-expertise system, vs considered-reasoning, upper-forebrain, much exercised in programming )

.. that it's idiocy to NOT index all such things, now..

Here, if you scroll down a little, you can see a table describing the different unconscious-mind-development stages, ALL of them, that their-kind know about ( the stage after Kegan5 is the self-conquering-stage, which they never saw or identified, because our world's process sabotages/prevents it )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kegan#The_Evolving_Self

Now think about herdbeasts, which don't have Kegan5's systems-of-systems stage..

They do have Kegan3, which is the upper-limit that cows are allowed to, by bulls, & they have Kegan4, which the bulls level-off in..

Kegan3 is wanting to be liked, it is associating-with validity ( hence the power of "influencers", among the younger humans in any time ), it is, fundamentally, ( & I'm not certain that Robert Kegan understood this ) the absorbing experience stage of one's life, living more in feelings & social-"reality"..

Kegan4, on the other hand, is what I call "BullingBOSS mode", where validity is zero-sum game: it is exclusive and that is exactly the way bulls work: it is limbic-brain, in basis, so it should hold throughout most mammals!

Now, IF one's identity & validity are rooted in zero-sum game, then anyone else having any validity reduces one's own validity!!

Narcissism also works this way, you'll notice, so now there are 2 fundamental-causes for such instinct, in-play..

Here you will find a book which explains the 5 LEVELS of culture-process, from competitive-nihilism's culture-level-1, to LIVING IS SELF-INHERENTLY AWESOME!!'s culture-level-5: https://www.amazon.com/Tribal-Leadership-Revised-Leveraging-Organization-ebook/dp/B006IDG1K6/

Here is the dumbed-down TED Talk about their years-of-research: https://www.ted.com/talks/david_logan_tribal_leadership

Culture-level-2 produces conspiricism! Subject-to-narcissism is therefore strategically-cancerous!

Now, what happens if your culture glorifies exclusive-validity identity, and, in so doing, produces a glass-ceiling on one's culture, which prevents culture-level-4 & culture-level-5..??

One ends-up devaluing, dehumanizing, others, & wanting them butchered, in order to validate one's culturally-grown prejudice!

IOW, it isn't just-the-Republicans, the nazis did it, I'm certain that much of the time the Romans did it, different Chinese cultures have done it, same with the Japanese, etc..

It expresses different ways, depending on the identity-anchors of the "valid", vs the "nonvalid"..

As Logan, King, & Fischer-Wright noticed, you can walk into ANY hospital in North America, with the exception of 1, which outgrew that cultural-glass-ceiling, & if you walk-in looking both professional & self-confident, the junior staff won't meet your eyes, because the narcissism-culture of the doctors has destroyed their human-validity.

THAT is evidence-based knowing!!

The vignette that Logan gives, in that TED Talk is on that specific section of their book, but doesn't give enough of it.

Both my parents were medical-professionals, Dad was a medical researcher and doctor, and that researcher bit was significant .. because the narcissism-culture of White medicine definitely saturated them both, but his science-culture overrode that, intellectually .. for which there ought be no limit to my gratitude, for that gift..

( doesn't mean I didn't go no-contact with both of them, though: the narcissism, the exclusive validity that doesn't include me is toxicity/cancer, in any "family" or "community" )

( btw, the personal-stuff is only so that you understand the experience-induced-understanding: it isn't just theory, it's earned understanding. There's no reason to care about it, otherwise: it's just context/perspective, so leave me out from any "care" or "concern". )

Now when you've made your culture narcissistic, AND you're glorifying Kegan4's BullingBOSS mode..

..AND you add-in non-accountable authority's rule .. then sociopathy's the result, isn't it?

It is produced by this configuration of culture-forces!!

( definitions: psychopathy means incapable of empathy, because one's mirror-neuron-system, or something, just doesn't function, so other-lives are just meat-marionettes..

sociopathy isn't brain-intrinsic, it is psychologically-produced analogue-of-psychopathy, through systematic imprinting ( that Kahneman1 imprint->reaction system ), until the programming produced it. )

So, anybody here who wants to read just how evil "normal" can be, please read some of Angela Davis's "Women, Race, & Class" book .. https://www.amazon.com/Women-Race-Class-Angela-Davis-ebook/dp/B0054KKRKY

& you will begin understanding just how spectacularly wrong our assumptions are, re human-culture-produced-outright-evil, from the utterly stomach-turning historical-facts she's putting into that..

& then you will begin understanding that when prejudice is the ruling-religion, then the nazis were normal, in evil.

So, really it all comes down to specific identity-forces:

  • Kegan4, unconscious validity-narcissistic BullingBOSS-mode, being glorified,
  • culture being ruled by narcissism, systematically, with an invisible "glass ceiling" preventing culture-level-4 from being known within their culture, &
  • nonaccountable-authority garrotting evolution
  • our unconscious-mind's innate mechanisms for preventing growing-up, fighting growing-up off, as "Immunity to Change" identifies, & it gives us simple methods, that work, for getting past the unconsciously-manufactured-obstacles we grow, to block our evolution.
  • entirely possibly more, that I'm not aware-of, or not remembering now..

Salut, Namaste, & Kaizen, eh?

_ /\ _

[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I've been trying to find an answer on that question myself for years. A lot of the other comments so a good job of scratching the surface but there just isn't enough text to really explain the full concept completely. If you really want to really dig deeper, here are some books that might help. They helped me. Bottom line is it's smart for conservatives to do this based on their end goals because it's effective.

The All New Don’t Think of an Elephant! by George Lakoff, covers the strong father theory which is much of what's described in other comments.

The Dictator’s Handbook by Bruce Bueno de Mesquita, talks about the principles of authoritarianism and helps understand how the authoritarian structure in nearly every major company has lead to this.

The Origins of Political Order by Francis Fukuyama, explains why stability at the cost of equality is what political machines often evolve into.

The Revenge of Power by Moisés Naím, explains how authoritarianism works and why it needs us vs them to thrive.

Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam, a good view of blame based politics, why and how it works.

Mistakes Were Made (But Not By Me) by Tavris & Aronson, helps explain why people are attracted to the conservative message.

Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti, explains how capitalists exploit the view that poverty is a personal falling so they can continue wage theft and rent seeking.

The Coddling of the American Mind by Haidt & Lukianoff, a deep dive of the modern conservative mindset and helps answer how and why we got here.

Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen, shows how this has been going on for longer than we've been alive along with the attack on education and sort of shows why that's effective.

The Progress Paradox by Gregg Easterbrook, helps explain why "the sky is falling" narrative conservatives like to use is attractive to us.

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The Progress Paradox by Gregg Easterbrook, helps explain why “the sky is falling” narrative conservatives like to use is attractive to us.

I gotta say, "the sky is falling" narrative should be more than familiar to anyone on Lemmy, lol

[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Without a doubt!

[–] HurricaneLiz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

You're welcome!

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Because we humans are social animals that like seeing others happy and dislike seeing others unhappy. Same goes for seeing animals.

Conservatives have convinced themselves or have been convinced by others that everyone is solely responsible for their own success. Or they pretend to believe this.

When they see pain in the world the only thought they can have is: This person did something wrong.

In reality meanwhile things aren't so easy. People have responsibility in achieving a happy life. But there are a myriad of factors that make life easier or harder. But you all probably know that.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

America was founded on the ideals of personal freedom and lack of class structure. The idea that literally ANYONE can become President was a totally unique concept in the 18th century. National leaders were either Royalty who inherited the role, or Authoritarians who grabbed the role.

Freedom should be empowering, but Conservatives weaponized it by deliberately suppressing opportunities for many, while then blaming those same people for not taking advantage of America's unique promise

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

And then money got involved and nothing mattered anymore anyway

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Right wing ideologies depend on distractions from real problems.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

It's less "hate the poor" and more "being good dogs for their wealthy masters"

[–] lemming741@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I agree with most comments when applied to Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaires.

I think the ruling class (aka the rock that does not need this cope) needs the threat of homelessness (aka the hard place) to squeeze the proletariat against.

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Because generally, they don’t vote. And additionally, they make a good boogeyman to blame for all the shit they’re doing themselves.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

Hatred of the poor can be found in every society and culture. It's so pervasive, it's ridiculous it doesn't have a proper name. The closest thing is "classism," but this is something different.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 97 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I'll just repost this comment I made on a similar question earlier: That would be because most wealthy people believe that they did something to "earn" their wealth and that poor people just need to work harder. They refuse to admit that their wealth is built off of the backs of others and a good amount of luck. This also explains a good chunk of Republican policy decisions.

Adding on to that: Republicans see the government as a zero sum entity. If they are paying money into it, they should be receiving an equivalent benefit. If someone else is receiving a benefit that they are not, that is unfair and is effectively equivalent to stealing, since that person doesn't pay as much into the system. The primary and largely singular motivation of the Republican party is to mold the government to only serve them and increase their "ROI" for their taxes. They do not care about the societal good that social programs do, nor about the massive boon that these programs typically are for the economy in the long run. They care that the poors are getting something that they didn't work for because they perceive themselves as paying for it personally.

Tl;dr: republicans are selfish myopic people that are absurdly bad at cost benefit analysis

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