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But they'll have to learn to do it right on their own because virtually all the porn is gone due to containing it. Since some newbies will inevitably accidentally go too far with it, suddenly manslaughter (if that's what it's called in the UK) cases soar as well.
Hey AI, choke me video please
Like how they outlawed any bdsm porn for a few years. People are just going to use VPNs. What a waste of time and money. The planet is burning, billionaires are killing and the government is banning kinky porn
I understand why they want to, but professionals give and have, consent. This is just kink shaming, honestly.
There's already done fairly aggressive agree verification laws there that were recently enacted, if memory serves me correctly, so now you're telling agree verified adults what they can, or cannot, watch.
I have zero doubt that the actors in the adult films depicting these kinds of scenarios are consenting adults. And while it may not be everyone's kink, it is some people's. If you don't like it, don't watch it. You're an adult. Deal with it.
Making laws so that everyone needs to abide by what you think is acceptable in terms of sexually explicit material, is ridiculous, with the only caveat being that all people involved must be consenting adults (depictions of non-adults is another legal matter entirely, and should continue to not be permitted - this is one of the few exceptions to the rule).
I think the main thing was that kids are going to watch it, and getting some very odd ideas about what normal boring vanilla shagging looks like... Also, it's mostly men choking women.
Although since it's now physically impossible for children to watch porn, maybe we don't need this any more?
Then, the solution would be to properly educate children about sex and consent.
Which right wingers also don't want to happen...
Listen there are no people on this Earth less qualified to tell us what normal sex is like than the people who brought us the Victorian age.
And animals.
That's wrong too.
Because they can't consent. It's also fucking gross but that's secondary.
Excepting dolphins I guess. They're highly intelligent and all kinds of horny so morally it's probably okay to fuck a dolphin though it's very very fucked up.
Trying to regulate people's kinks is probably not going to stop the kinks from being kinks.
I watched a YT video by Dr Angela Collier on Richard Feynman. She drops this incredibly alarming stat that if a partner chokes you, you are 750% more likely to be murdered by that partner. I get that the kink isn’t 1:1 but it does make me wonder if there’s any relation.
Edited to include link to the paper.
I feel like the context of whether it’s consensual or not is the real factor there. BUT a lot of the edgier kinks can become even more dangerous since people are uncomfortable talking/asking questions, so maybe it’s more complicated.
Oh yeah for sure, that stat is undoubtedly in the context of argument/non-consent; not a consensual kink dynamic. I wondered if it’s because they don’t want to normalise it due to worrying about it carrying over to circumstances outside consensual sex dynamics. Like an abuser trying to argue it being in a BDSM dynamic when it’s actually an abusive one.
Way too many people try things they see in porn without doing proper research practice or consents. 50 shades of grey was a terrible time for the bdsm community
Those books were rape-manuals
When I was single, the second a woman would say "oh, you're like a real-life Christian Grey" I would know immediately that we weren't compatible
Research shows strangulation is never a safe practice, despite a widespread belief it can be performed safely. Though it often leaves no visible injury, oxygen deprivation, even for very short moments, causes changes to the fragile structures of the brain.
Multiple studies have specifically shown brain changes in women who have been repeatedly “choked” during sex, including markers for brain damage and disruptions in brain hemispheres linked to depression and anxiety.
To be honest that actually seems like reason enough even if it is genuinely consensual
Though it often leaves no visible injury, oxygen deprivation, even for very short moments, causes changes to the fragile structures of the brain.
Does this also apply to holding your breath?
Strangulation (done (in)correctly) can cut off the blood flow to the brain, which halts oxygen delivery to the tissues. Holding your breath just causes oxygen delivery to the blood to stop. Your body has enough blood and oxygen in it to last for a few minutes without breathing, but only as long as it is circulating to the tissues that require it.
While holding your breath, the ratio of carbon dioxide to oxygen will steadily increase, which will eventually trigger some chemoreceptors and force a reflexive diaphragmatic contraction.
If someone dies you're very unlikely that you're getting away with it even if you have firm evidence of consent such as it occurring in a freak accident at a well monitored event. At least that's what the kink educators I've heard from have all said.
Maybe I'm not fully awake, but I don't understand how that stat could be calculated. How the hell would anyone know the kinks at play in a representative subset of all abusive relationship that have ended in murder?
They interview the murder victim.
A seance, you say? Choked to death, you say?
As I mention in another reply the stat refers to abuse not kink play. Likely polled abuse/DV victims and then followed up with them, but that just a guess. I’ll link the study later if I can track it down.
Oh yeah non consensual choking is a "make a plan to get out now" situation.
In kink I'm actually still generally against it, but in a "this is way higher risk profile than a lot of people think" way. Banning it won't help, proper kink educational resources will.
Ah sorry government - you guys rejected the option to regulate porn. Nowadays nobody watches porn in the UK, people watch it "from Switzerland" instead. Go ask them to regulate.
I mean, we all use VPNs to wank now anyway, so why not?
Yes, I'm sure every one is glad their tax money is being spent on drafts and debates on laws like this. Great job...
I don't like where the world is headed with these new laws.
If you regulate or ban this type of stuff I think you just end up with sexually frustrated people who instead of watching their porn (which has become outlawed), now go find someone to enact their will on forcefully.
That's just a theory of mine based on zero facts, but just what my brain has powerfully concocted.
Lotta goth girls about to be out of a job
I'll be honest, looking at the comments, I'm kind of shocked at just how many people are into strangulation porn.
Most kinks I can see the appeal, even if it doesn't do it for me personally. Strangulation stuff, though, just looks overly-aggressive and rapey. I get some people might like how it feels, but as porn, the visuals don't present as consensual or fun.
You are falling into the puritanical way of thinking.
Just because something is unattractive or gross to you doesn't mean we should prevent consenting adults from doing what they want.
Also this shit is being pushed by JK Rowling and her trolls to start changing the convo to be about which porn is "immoral" , and everyone who tries to decide what porn is "normal" eventually goes after LGBTQIA people.