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Wonder how many bags of shekels such a 180 costs.
Part of taking on a government role is that you publically back all government positions. Your personal positions are for behind closed doors only. She's now secretary of state for culture, and so argues the government position.
Why the government have picked this hill to die on... I have no idea.
Because they are terrified that the slightest whiff of any anti-Israeli sentiment will cause the right wing rags to descend into frothy-mouthed calls of antisemitism.
God forbid they could support the Jewish, and oppose football hooligans (and genocide).
They're also funded by Zionists
No, you back agreed cabinet positions of the party they represent. As the leader chooses the cabinet, the cabinet represents his position on things.
You're elected to represent the people that elect you and have a mandate to change things.
Ultimately the people in charge have either no backbone/integrity, or there are really really good incentives/reasons to abandon your previous position...
How is what you're saying in your first paragraph any different to what I said?
I thought you were insinuating that government positions were old entrenched ones that existed before they were elected.
Sometimes they are. Selling weapons to Saudi's, backing Israel is a long running theme.
It felt like you were justifying the decision by downplaying their agency.
No. Labour are the government now. It's their position.
Why would anyone want to bring a mob of hoolies into the UK?
Do these people believe in anything?
People's opinions change as they learn new information. It's usually called growth.
Lisa Nandy probably learned that if she changes her stance on Israel, she'll be benefitting from it in some way, let it be a cushy "job" once she "retires" from "representing" her electorate, or a direct payout, or some other benefits to her or her family, or even just the "benefit" of getting to stay in Labour.
Now technically this is growth too, but the cancerous kind.
I reckon there's probably a middle ground which both supports allowing people to watch football, and does not support selling weapons to a genocidal state.
It is a racist club known for genocidal chants about raping Arab women
And it's a club with a mob of hooligans who were attacking Muslim-appearing people in Amsterdam a few months ago. That was when they were playing against Ajax, who have historically had a large base of Jewish fans (rather like Spurs in London). So it was definitely more about hooliganism than Jewish identity.
Yeah, I know who they are, I just don't think that even the most horrible football fan behaviour is remotely on a par with arms dealers selling weapons to Israel.
Shockingly, more than one thing can be wrong at once.
Sure, but if you're trying to accuse someone of hypocrisy, both things need to be of a similar magnitude.
I'm neither pro-murder, nor pro-kicking-in-the-bollocks, but I still think "You used to be against murder, but now you're in favour of kicking people in the bollocks, you're such a hypocrite" is a nonsensical argument.