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The chefs, all of whom sell or endorse cookware lines, are opposing a California bill that would phase out the contentious chemicals from a range of products they’re used in, like nonstick cookware, food packaging and dental floss. California lawmakers could vote on the measure this week.

Easy to endorse poisoning people when your income is dependent on it.

Scientists have warned that PFAS can end up in food when nonstick cookware overheats, is scratched or otherwise starts to degrade.

However they say the bigger danger is from the manufacturing of products containing PFAS, which causes significant pollution, research has shown, by contaminate drinking water sources and getting into the food supply. The chemicals have become so ubiquitous they can be found in the blood of almost every person in the United States.

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They can be found in the blood of every person.

When they were trying to do a study and compare people without them in the blood, they went as far as remote indigenous populations, faraway Eskimos, basically anyone they could think of that had absolutely 0 contact with modern civilization. Nope. PFAS. It's worse if you're in the first world (probably significantly worse if you're in the US), but it's everywhere. Anywhere there is water, there is PFAS.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They caused multiple municipalities to experience ridiculous rates of cancer, birth defects, dead animals, and all sorts of other health issues caused by teflon, then they only had to pay 16 million in fines, as a corporation that makes billions in profit every year, and changed the structure of one atom and kept on doing it.

Fuck DuPont for poisoning literally every single person on the planet and fuck the government for allowing it.

Edit: They were doing it for like 50+ years before they even got the paltry fine. There is an admission price for crimes against humanity.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure the North Sentinelese have it.

[–] Quexotic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good luck checking. Those guys are awful about hospitality

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Unless you show up with a lady and some coconuts.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

I wonder if they have more or less microplastics in them than someone from Europe or America. 🤔

[–] oneser@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Why chefs? No restaurant I have ever worked in had Teflon pans. All we're stainless steel as the coating of Teflon pans waster away within days of constant use

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They're not using them in their restaurants, they're hawking them to the general public.

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then calling them “chefs” is deceptive.

[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The real article title should be

California Wants to Ban ‘Forever Chemicals’ in Pans. These Forever-Chemical-Pan Salesmen Say Don’t Do It.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 4 points 2 months ago

Snakeoil salesman upset that they can't sell their snakeoil

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've worked at places that used Teflon for the omelettes and brunch eggs. They only lasted a month or so before they needed replacement.

Its not a requirement for good eggs tho

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Carbon steel is also great.

Although if I'm cooking something acidic I'll use a stainless steal pan.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Hey, that's MY pan!

[–] Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I use carbon steel or stainless too. Cast iron has a big fan base, but having used both i don't think cast iron has any real advantages over carbon steel.

Sadly I put the years in using poison pans before I ever considered that there might be an issue with non stick.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Carbon steel pans are a thing? I only have knives.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 2 points 2 months ago

Yep. You season and treat it just like cast iron. It's normally lighter and harder to break that cast iron.

Carbon steel knives are cool if your good at sharpening and honeing often but I actually prefer my stainless steel knifes.

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

https://www.debuyer-usa.com/collections/mineral-b

But there are quite a few other manufacturer's.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

The chefs saying not to do it must be shitty chefs (or sell crappy cookware themwelves and are just trying to keep their con going).

The best cookware you can get is strsight up cast iron. No chemical coatings. No toxic metals. And they can double as home defense weapons.

As a pansexual, you can trust I know a thing or two about pans. 😌

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I hear for some purposes carbon steel is better, but what would I know I'm a homosexual, I can only give advice about homes

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

My condolences, I wish you could give advice about more things.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I started with cast iron but these days I'm all about the allclad. Just stainless steel with a copper core. A beauty to cook with.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I am also pansexual, but we might mean different things.

[–] pezhore@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I love cast iron cookware. I have both a Dutch oven and an 18" frypan that both come with me when camping for meals.

I cannot deal with cast iron on a glass top stove (which is what we have at home). I refuse to use gas stoves, the resistive coils are typically really shitty, and induction doesn't work with all my pans (including the cast iron).

I really wish I could use my more reasonably sized cast iron, but most have a casting ring around the bottom, and all of them could break or scratch my stove's glass top.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Enamel coated cast iron is what you are looking for. The ones that are coated on the outside but bare on the inside.

They are safe for glass tops stoves but you get to season the inside like a normal one

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What is a glass top stove? I tried to Google it but didn't get anywhere. I assume you don't mean glass over induction or resistance.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That's what confuses me, he seems to describe glass top stoves as something else entirely

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

They are really uncommon in the USA so if they are American they might not understand the differences.

[–] Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Food sticking to the pan is a skill issue, figured these chefs would know that. Get good scrub... unless it's a cast iron then don't scrub it too hard.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 9 points 2 months ago

Gonna throw it out there - I'm not trusting a chef's opinion on chemistry and health science over a scientist

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

with cast iron you scrub harder... it likes it harder

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I like that there's a group of chefs mentioned as if considering their professional opinion makes their stance any more intelligent

[–] Boozilla@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

I'm not trying to defend PFAS, especially on the manufacturing side. But it's my understanding if you ingest small particles that have been scratched off into your food, they are pretty harmless and pass out in your waste. It's the liquid stuff that gets into the environment that's poisoning everyone. To clarify, I'm for banning the stuff. But I think the dangers of the finished pans might be overstated.

[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I have owned exactly one nonstick pan, more than 20 years ago, that was enough to convince me they were not a good idea. Cast iron gets better and better with time, nonstick wears out and gives off fumes that kill birds.

They are not good.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Surely chefs prefer stainless steel and cast iron? They should peddle that instead