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[–] 332@feddit.nu 145 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Absolutely unacceptable and ridiculous.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Keep them informed, of course they care about your opinion, especially seeing how anyplace else in the world where such things were introduced there were successful revolutions and people doing that ended up in jail. Oops.

[–] Keyboard@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago
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[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 102 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Ugh, this shit again...

Are there any initiatives out there to call a stop to this? Or even better, initiatives to introduce legislation that forbids setting up this kind of surveillance infrastructure altogether?

[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
[–] katkit@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Patrick Breyer with the pirate party is my go to example of why small parties and extraparliamentary opposition is important. 99% of the people don't even know him and he's just doing such an sucessful job of protecting them anyway.

[–] PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 6 points 3 months ago

Thank you for helping us stop chat control! We from the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this!

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 27 points 3 months ago

Your local Pirate Party and organizations like Bits of Freedom can help out.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

The annoying thing is that some states like Germany pretty much prohibit surveillance of this extend by constitution. It couldn‘t be made any harder for a legislation like this to pass and yet they keep trying.

[–] PiratPartiet@feddit.nu 6 points 3 months ago

Well we in the Swedish Pirate Party are strongly against this! We have been fighting since the beginning against Chat Control! Feel free to DM me and I can even try to find a Pirateparty near you or atleast a party who are aligned similarly!

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 74 points 3 months ago (6 children)

It's not the EU yet. It's a group of activists from Denmark. There wasn't even preliminary voting on it yet.
Doesn't mean we need to be complacent of course, but so far nothing happened.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

but so far nothing happened

Things happens frighteningly fast these days. It's not a matter of being complacent; it's a matter of budding things in the nip. Which won't work. Then tirelessly fight back against it.

Unless you've been sleeping under a rock these last few… weeks. Not even months. Some legislation can go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly if left unchecked.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What activists? I need their names, for personal research reasons.

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[–] Mihies@programming.dev 54 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hey at least Stasi only spied on people they suspected.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 months ago

That's due to the limitation at the time.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Their kind never leaves the chat, it's a professional habit

[–] krigo666@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] Zak@lemmy.world 77 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If you're a citizen of an EU country, you should contact your politicians to tell them not to, maybe they won't.

It only has to pass once, and they keep trying.

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[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Is the EU not subject to GDPR?

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 15 points 3 months ago

Rules are for the people, not governments

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The EU decides what's GDPR. And it seems recently it decided to not be buggered by those old ideas that are privacy, freedom, etc.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Thank god my OS doesn't care about EU regulation

[–] sefra1@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Your OS doesn't, put the messaging apps that your friends/family/coworkers use do.

And no, you can't convince them to switch messager, I tried.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

As long as owning a device that allow full E2E encryption without spyware isn't illegal.

It bears repeating a lot of time : the technology to circumvent these things exist, and will continue to exist. However, there's nothing preventing obtuse lawmakers from making it illegal to own. And then, it's just a matter of catching someone and finding some rooted android phone in his pocket.

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

So, need a non-homicidal, non-EU country to run an XMPP server then...

[–] PleaseLetMeOut@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

So Canada?

(They do have a history of going a little overboard with the homicidal stuff. But they've come a long way in the last few decades.)

[–] buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A lot overboard, really. There is a long way to go for truth and reconciliation.

As for data safety, its not looking too great: https://tuta.com/blog/canada-bill-c2-surveillance

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The fuck is happening over there? Was there lead in the water?

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Authoritarianism, duh. It’s a global thing.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

You're answering the how, but I'm asking for the why. 😅

[–] ISOmorph@feddit.org 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Financial issues among the general populace due to consolidation of wealth > oligarchs create propaganda that brown people are to blame > uneducated masses vote for authoritarians with empty promises

It's the same program human civilisation has know for millenia

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 6 points 3 months ago

Evil people doing evil things because they’re evil. They want more than they have any right to and are willing to throw everyone else under the bus.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

More money. More power. More control over millions of people. Control over what you say? Not their problem; just control everything.

The ability to deny other what they want is a drug to some people; make them feel superior.

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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Compelling search engines to deindex results, age verification, chat monitoring: stay golden, EU.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wtf. Is Signal going to be affected? I just recently installed Signal on my phone.

[–] oppy1984@lemdro.id 46 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Signal has already stated that they will pull out of the UK if they go through with their version of this, I imagine they'll say the same for the EU.

Get a good VPN, exit it from a non-5 eyes country, and hope they don't start blocking by phone number alone.... and hopefully they'll drop the phone number requirement sooner than later.

Also, welcome to Signal!

[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

~~I think they already dropped the phone number req, not sure though~~

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

No, still required. However, you can have a username of sorts to give to people and block finding you by phone number in the platform.

[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Ah, that's what I was thinking of then

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you know this means they get the keys, right?

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[–] hiramfromthechi@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm starting to edit idcaboutprivacy more and more often (and that's not a good thing)

[–] dynamoMaus@feddit.org 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I like the comapirson i heared at Anne Roths(https://systemli.social/@anneroth) talk(German):

You would never say: I don't need free speech because I have nothing to say. Everyone profits from data privacy and free speech and some people are depending on their life on it.

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[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

time to make my own shitty ass software to deal with this stuff

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

Let us know when it's ready for Alpha testing. Most of us will gladly give it a shot and help iron it out.

[–] alvyn@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 months ago

The never stop trying. Fucking incompetent dumm politicians.

[–] sircac@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is not the Europe I remember...

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