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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Who benifits from the tariffs? Who pays the tariffs? Did it cost more than 150b to gain 150b?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 1 year ago

Broad tariffs are basically a sales tax with many extra steps and massive inefficiencies.

Sales taxes are of course, regressive, they disproportionately harm the poor.

[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago

He and his cronies. Notice how the markets will always spike merely a few hours just before he announces them; certain people know ahead and will buy tons of stocks accordingly. It’s blatant market manipulation, done in plain sight.

These tariffs also gives him the illusion of power over other nations, which he craves most, like the bully he is.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The person or company who imports the goods pays the tariffs. The tariffs go to the US Treasury where they are mixed with other revenue like income tax. The government then spends that money on all of the usual stuff.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just to add, the company importing those goods then increases prices to make up for the expense, passing the costs to consumers (Americans). I think that is an important note.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

so, military and harassing citizens?

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Unmarked vans, black sites, and plain clothes SS don't just grow on trees

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 6 points 1 year ago

(We also will not be spending any of that money on trees)

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, is there an incentive for the tariff payer to keep cost lower and not pass it on to consumer?

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

The buyer pays the tariff. There's always an incentive for buyers to keep costs low, tariff or not.

For sellers there might be an incentive to reduce prices under some circumstances:

  1. If the seller can't compete with American products once tariff is added - rarely applicable and you may as well see American products increase their prices to increase profits
  2. If your customers are very price sensitive and might go without your product or find an alternative (so not medication, but some foods perhaps) but you would expect those products to already have low margins so you can't really reduce your prices
[–] 21Cabbage@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, the party that thinks we can't have healthcare because the rich will make us pay for it suddenly thinks foreign countries will pay for our bullshit.

In 2016 he said that Mexico would pay for the wall and Americans believed it.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah but it will all go to Billionaires in the form of shady government contracts. So trickle up economics.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The up-trickle billionaires are currently living with:

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

That comma is bearing the weight of a collapsed star.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's ok because manufacturing has come back. According to some reich wing people I know..

[–] mondomon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Manufacturing lies is WAYYY up.

[–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Yay! We're winning!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

You mean to say that you've stolen $150B from working class Americans on the sorts of goods they can't live without, like groceries, home appliances, and the like? Good job!

[–] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago

I wonder who that's all going to

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know the guy who designed the wheel they spin when coming up with numbers for the masses.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago

oh but he is going to get rid of income tax.......later.