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Chronicle the life and tale of the fediverse (+ matrix)

Largely a sublemmy about capturing drama, from fediverse spanning drama to just lemmy drama.

Includes lore like how a instance got it's name, how an instance got defederated, how an admin got doxxed, fedihistory etc

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Will it be effective?

SpoilerNo, it was not very effective.


EDIT: The banning event continues. Please consult the modlog to observe.

https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=7121342

If you scroll down to about a day ago, you might be able to observe an emerging behavior from this mod.


EDIT 2: The mod in question moderates a total of 108 Lemmy communities. How deep does this conspiracy run? Is this mod a lost Redditor? More to come!


EDIT 3: The mod has now removed my comment all together, one might assume because it was still receiving upvotes in the 2 hours following my ban. Are there similarities here to Watergate? You be the judge!


EDIT 4: The mod in question has now been removed as a mod of the !vegan@lemmy.world community, as a result of their abuse of power.

https://lemmy.world/post/19731457

This was their response:


EDIT 5: This will be my final update, since as far as I see it, the issue this thread focuses on has been resolved. To quote Beaver herself in a very ironic comment she made directed towards someone else:

Clearly this was all just a case of...

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Mods 108 communities?

What we have here, sir and/or madam, is a Reddit mod. Excessive modding, a smell you can't quite place, same techniques.

Gotta say: I was hoping we wouldn't be followed by that type.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago

Pretty sure the Reddit mods were the biggest group of complainers against Reddits API changes, since they used third party apps in order to mod.

So it stands to reason a ginormous group of them switched to Lemmy and had plenty of free time to mod there as well.

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 5 points 1 year ago

Out of those, less then 10 are active

https://lemmy.ca/u/beaver

There are plenty of LW mods who mod a higher number of active communities

[–] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

This has been a problem in Lemmy.ca for a while and I brought this up on !lemmy_ca_support@lemmy.ca a while back:

https://lemmy.ca/post/21634180?scrollToComments=true

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Oh boy, it looks like they're posting the "you should feed your obligate carnivorous pets a fully vegan diet" garbage again.

Edit:

Trying to paint your special diet group as a minority group is kinda fucking offensive. People get murdered, raped, beaten, abused, fired, divorced, jailed, tortured, sent to re-education camps, and so on, for being black, or LGBT, or Hispanic, or Muslim, or whatever. Vegans though? No. Unlike the other examples, vegans don't get murdered for something you were born with; they don't have entire continents who want to murder them. They just get ridiculed, and tbh, nowadays most of the ridicule is due to their garbage attitudes and nothing to do with the diet itself.

[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The modlog should at least contain an identifier of the mod. Maybe not a link to their account but something that can be tracked across communities. To see who is abusing their power.

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm pretty it's Beaver. I'm now banned (and I appear to be blocked by Beaver as well) and I'm pretty sure the only recent direct interaction I've had with the community was downvoting the recent articles about how vegan diets are okay for carnivorous pets.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, beaver is a bit batshit lol

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Modlog does contain the info, it's just not displayed on the website. You can get the full data from lemmy API

Example:

{
            "mod_ban_from_community": {
                "id": 19651,
                "mod_person_id": 7121342,
                "other_person_id": 8043739,
                "community_id": 1309,
                "reason": "Rule 5",
                "banned": true,
                "expires": "2024-09-19T21:03:47Z",
                "when_": "2024-09-12T21:05:15.205847Z"
            },
            "moderator": {
                "id": 7121342,
                "name": "Beaver",
                "display_name": "Beaver [she/her]",
                "avatar": "https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/5801e891-c371-459d-a262-84e476040930.png",
                "banned": false,
                "published": "2024-04-11T00:47:49.008680Z",
                "actor_id": "https://lemmy.ca/u/Beaver",
                "bio": "Human/Animal Rights Supporter \n\n🇵🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼🇬🇪🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🇲🇩\n\nWe Need Proportional Representation Badly\n",
                "local": false,
                "banner": "https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/fea3cd18-4600-49b1-a0b9-be394adeab83.jpeg",
                "deleted": false,
                "matrix_user_id": "@ralimbahere:matrix.org",
                "bot_account": false,
                "instance_id": 251
            },
            "community": {
                "id": 1309,
                "name": "vegan",
                "title": "vegan",
                "description": "Please also check out [vegantheoryclub.org](https://vegantheoryclub.org/) for a great set of well-run communities for vegan news, cooking, gardening, and art. It is not federated with LW, but it is a nice, cozy, all-in-one space for vegans.\n\n***\n\nWe ask that the you have an understanding on what veganism is before engaging in this community.\n\nIf you think you have been banned erroneously, please get in contact with one of the other mods for appeals.\n\nModerator reports may not federate properly and may delay moderator action. Please DM an active mod if an abusive comment remains after reporting it.\n\n***\n\n## Welcome\n\nWelcome to c/vegan@lemmy.world. Broadly, this community is a place to discuss veganism. Discussion on [intersectional](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality) topics related to the animal rights movement are also encouraged.\n\n## What is Veganism?\n\n> 'Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals ...'\n\n— abridged definition from [The Vegan Society](https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism)\n\n## Rules\n\n*The rules are subject to change, especially upon community feedback.*\n\n1. Discrimination is **not** tolerated. *This includes [speciesism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism)*.\n2. Topics not relating to veganism are subject to removal.\n3. Posts are to be as accessible as practicable:\n\t- pictures of text require alt-text;\n\t- paywalled articles must have an accessible non-paywalled link.\n4. Content warnings are required for triggering content.\n5. Bad-faith [carnist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism) rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future (see current stickied discussion).\n\t- before jumping into the community, we encourage you to read [examples of common fallacies here.](https://yourveganfallacyis.com/)\n\t- if you're asking questions about veganism, be mindful that the person on the other end is trying to be helpful by answering you and treat them with at least as much respect as they give you.\n6. Misinformation, particularly that which is dangerous or has malicious intent, is subject to removal.\n\n## Resources on Veganism\n\nA compilation of many vegan resources/sites in a Google spreadsheet:\n\n* [vegancheatsheet.org](https://vegancheatsheet.org/)\n\nHere are some documentaries that are recommended to watch if planning to or have recently become vegan:\n\n* [You Will Never Look at Your Life in the Same Way Again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3u7hXpOm58)\n* [Dominion (2018)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko) (CW: gore, animal abuse)\n\n## Vegan Fediverse\n\nLemmy: [vegantheoryclub.org](https://vegantheoryclub.org/)\n\nMastodon: [veganism.social](https://veganism.social/)\n\n### Other Vegan Communities\n\n#### General Vegan Comms\n[!vegan@lemmy.ml](/c/vegan@lemmy.ml)\n\n[!vegan@hexbear.net](/c/vegan@hexbear.net)\n\n[!vegan@vegantheoryclub.org](/c/vegan@vegantheoryclub.org)\n\n[!vegan@slrpnk.net](/c/vegan@slrpnk.net)\n\n#### Circlejerk Comms\n[!vegancirclejerk@lemmy.ml](/c/vegancirclejerk@lemmy.ml)\n\n\n#### Vegan Food / Cooking\n[!homecooks@vegantheoryclub.org](/c/homecooks@vegantheoryclub.org) \n\n[!veganrecipes@sh.itjust.works](/c/veganrecipes@sh.itjust.works)\n\n[!recipes@vegantheoryclub.org](/c/recipes@vegantheoryclub.org)\n\n",
                "removed": false,
                "published": "2023-06-09T20:05:49.639993Z",
                "updated": "2024-09-03T01:09:32.860483Z",
                "deleted": false,
                "nsfw": false,
                "actor_id": "https://lemmy.world/c/vegan",
                "local": true,
                "icon": "https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/22056785-18ee-40dc-a6da-03af986f2d3b.jpeg",
                "hidden": false,
                "posting_restricted_to_mods": false,
                "instance_id": 1
            },
            "banned_person": {
                "id": 8043739,
                "name": "mushroomstormtrooper",
                "banned": false,
                "published": "2024-05-27T16:10:30.690962Z",
                "actor_id": "https://lemmy.world/u/mushroomstormtrooper",
                "local": true,
                "deleted": false,
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                "instance_id": 1
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[–] Badeendje@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nice.. thanks. I had indeed just checked the website. I think it should then just be on the website. Especially if they are exposing votes then open this up too.

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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The info is there. You can tell who it is by using the filters (e.g. logs filtered on me as the user that were modded by beaver: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&modId=7121342&userId=36)

It’s a pain in the ass but it works.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah vegans should not consider themselves as a minority.

The ANIMALS are the minority group. Not YOU. The entitlement speaks to an ego trip and is a vicious representation of the cause.

They should have their platform removed because they are hurting the image of the vegan movement

This is coming from a vegan btw

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[–] Blaze@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I was curious, so I had a look, seems like it still leads to violence in some occurences

A Florida man was recently arrested for allegedly stabbing his cousin after a heated debate about whether whole cow's milk or almond milk is superior.

The debate over whether to consume animal products, like meat and dairy, or go entirely plant-based (vegan) is a hot-button issue, often filled with vitriol and name-calling online and in real life.

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-do-angry-vegans-meat-eaters-fight-so-much-2020-2?op=1

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but c'mon, that's Floridaman. He's a meth head who'd murder someone because he wanted to fuck an alligator and thought he needed a human sacrifice to do it.

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[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm not a vegan or even a vegetarian, but even I can see that my vegetarian friends get questioned uncomfortably all the time for their diet choice. When you do something differently, you inevitably get bullied.

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[–] socsa@piefed.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got banned for saying I didn't think the meme was funny.

I legitimately do not care about that, but I do care deeply about how funny Beaver's tantrum is, so I hope she keeps it up.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's funny that she thinks she's accomplishing anything here but all that's happening is that she's eroding her own credibility, especially with those angry memes targeting people who aren't Vegans and her beef with the Lemmy.world admins.

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Am I missing something here? The vegan community is for vegans and people to ask questions about being vegan but is not for debating about any part of being vegan. That is their rule 5, which I see people break every day thinking it is ok to shit all over vegans there. If you don't want to hear about vegans then block the community.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

but is not for debating about any part of being vegan

If that's the case, I want to know why perfectly innocuous comments are still removed. Seems like they operate on a whim.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cause over the last few weeks, a bunch of debates over moderation drama have been full of people attacking vegans over the cat taurine debate. That drama is over and it reached a consensus resolution between the mods and admins. If they've made an executive judgement that the moderation drama is no longer relevant and baits carnists into breaking rule 5, then removing that debate is a valid application of rule 5.

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[–] TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The problem is, in my opinion, that they post memes that are clerly provoking non-vegan people for discussion.

It's weird to jump under a "here are my 15 ways of cooking asparagus" post with anti-vegan content. But "look at these carnovorous clowns" memes are clearly offensive.

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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think what you are missing is that they’re banning people for breaking Rule 5 that haven’t broken Rule 5.

Nobody is taking issue with them banning people that broke Rule 5.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they indeed promoted vegan diets for carnivores then I'm for a ban of the mod / community too. That's very much animal abuse.

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Rule 5 - This community is an echo bunker.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Weird that criticism of Spam wouldn't be acceptable in a vegan community!

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

That's why you go with CRAM!

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's an echo bunker. Banning anyone who doesn't whole throatedly support their beliefs is a feature of the community, not a bug. I am banned.

[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Justified ban imo. You weren't there to discuss veganism as a vegan, you were there for drama. It's not spam when they make a lot of posts to their own community. Unless the content is hateful, the correct response is to block.

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[–] GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been banned for breaking rule 5, which is weird since I've never posted in their community.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Have you had impure thoughts about breaking rule 5?

[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Rolando@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I unironically love the terms "meatsplained" and especially "carnist."

~~On my next date I'ma say: "I'm a Carnist... RAWR" and then click my teeth. Clear test for taking or leaving.~~ (edit: this was a stupid thing to say.)

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Corpse muncher is a good one. Blood mouth is another. I've heard something about cadaver as well, maybe cadaver eater? Can't remember.

Seriously how fucking old are you (the silly vegans, not the person in replying to, I didnt make that clear)? Does that ever work? It's just so ridiculously childish and funny.

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Carnist Bloodmouth sounds like an Ork name.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 1 year ago

(edit: this was a stupid thing to say.)

Correction: it was silly, and so I loved it 😂 (Maybe I misunderstood, I just wanted to advocate for it being okay to be silly:-)

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