Don't worry about those 3 minutes, for real. The radical left would have you believe something bad happened during this, but the video was just so boring we wanted to save you the tedium of viewing it. This video is absolute proof nothing unsavory happened, so quit asking questions and don't forget to vote Republican in the primaries!
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You had me at “the radical left.”
It's all intentional, these are gangster tactics. You are supposed to cover up the assassination but not that well, so the message gets out, we can kill you if you talk and make it look like an accident/suicide whatever. That's why the sloppy editing etc.
This happened with the panama papers as well.
KGB tactics.
Russia: "Accidentally falls out window"
USA: "Suicide when CCTV is 'malfunctioning'"
Because we have a little thing called 'tact'
Tegridy!
Accidentally falls out a window that was made of reinforced glass and he crashed through it in ways that even a large man charging at it at full force would still have a hard time shattering.
That makes a bit more sense. one minute was not quite enough to get in, string up a noose, put him in the noose, and get out; never mind the presumed struggle and/or drugging or whatever.
I haven't really looked much into the layout or video (I tend to not like staring at corpses OR rapists), but assuming it is of the cell itself or the door right outside?
A minute is more than enough time for a couple of blokes to get in, grab someone, put them in a blood choke, loop the noose, throw it, and tie a super quick knot. Hollywood likes people to think you can struggle against getting choked. An air choke where your oxygen supply is cut off? Sure, those can take a minute or two to kill someone. A blood choke where you put pressure on the artery? They are unconscious in less than 10 seconds (sometimes almost instantaneously) and they aren't going to wake up the moment you release. Similarly, ask any climber to tie a quick figure eight (or bowline if they are old or european) and they can do that blindfolded, in the rain, in like 10 seconds.
So assuming even two killers? Yeah, a minute is more than enough time.
That isn't to say that multiple minutes is not more likely. But the article has many caveats for why that isn't necessarily the case (overlap, basically) and there is already a massive push by fascists to somehow spin all of this as being Obama's fault. So be wary of easy gotchas that they can introduce and disprove.
For a guy that doesn't like staring at corpses, you seem versed in how to make them?
In some martial arts classes in college, we messed around with chokes 1 day and I never went back. I was knocked out once, and when trying it on someone else for "a few seconds" to be safe I put my partner in a choke and it was eerily fast. They ragdolled on like a second. They were conscious but dizzy like 10 secomds later, and I was like "nope."
They are unconscious in less than 10 seconds (sometimes almost instantaneously) and they aren’t going to wake up the moment you release. Similarly, ask any climber to tie a quick figure eight (or bowline if they are old or european) and they can do that blindfolded, in the rain, in like 10 seconds.
So assuming even two killers? Yeah, a minute is more than enough time.
You, eh, ever try to lift 150-200 pounds of dead weight? while trying to make it look like that dead weight did it himself?
it's not just the fight. It's not just the struggle. just for the record the camera was in the hallway outside and not in the room. a minute is barely enough time to get in, kill him, and get out.
To also then string him up, and remove whatever you need to, to make it look like suicide? three minutes is pushing it, even with 2 guys- and remember, the more guys you add the more potential you have for some one talking.
You, eh, ever try to lift 150-200 pounds of dead weight? while trying to make it look like that dead weight did it himself?
One murderer puts their arms under his armpits. The other loops the noose and then ties it off.
Could Abby Sciuto and Ducky figure out it was faked? Sure. But they aren't getting called in to investigate a hit that was organized by the people who would be investigating the murder.
To also then string him up, and remove whatever you need to, to make it look like suicide?
Open the door. One guy rushes him and does a blood choke. He was old and nowhere near at his best. The other quickly throws the noose up and ties it off. They don't have to remove anything but themselves.
Again. I think more time is more likely. But be very cautious of "They needed way more than one minute!" because, again, even the wired article suggests it may just be overlapping clips and it would be super easy to say "Actually that analyst is wrong and it is really only one minute of lost footage so all of you conspiracy theorists are wrong and owe donald j trump an apology"
As an example, think OJ Simpson. So much of the case became fixated on that glove. So once it was "proved" that he couldn't wear it (because his hands were swollen and had thick latex gloves on them...) the entire case fell apart.
This will basically never reach trial for obvious reasons. But the principle still holds. Don't overly fixate on specific details that can be trivially refuted unless they are key details. And it is very possible, if not overly plausible, that they could have suicide'd epstein in under a minute.
I can mermaid carry my 240 pound husband with minimal effort. I do lift weights. Not sure you're thinking it through. I don't see how it would tKe more than 1 minute especially premeditated
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The camera view is not of the cell or even outside of it. It’s pointed at nearby cells and the FBI claims someone would have to walk past it to reach Epstein’s cell.
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I mean, it depends on how many people you have available. Five or six strong dudes could easily overpower him in like 10 seconds. Have another dude ready with a pre-tied noose, so all he has to do is throw it over a bar and pull it tight. Once Epstein is being bearhugged by like three dudes, getting him into the noose would be trivial.
A minute would be tight, but if you keep cameras in mind and bum-rush him with a practiced team, it could be doable.
I beleive the extra cut suggests overlap, not extra time. I.E. clip 1 running until 12:02 instead of 12, with clip 2 picking up at 12.
This happens during resets sometimes to ensure footage isn't lost. I.E. you start recording on a second ffmpeg process before you stop the first. The missing minute is the part that matters, and overlap makes it even more plausible that missing minute was removed.
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Hmmm.
Funny. Almost like he didn't kill himself.
It is darkly funny, on multiple levels, that thus far the best impediment to the Mechanazis is their own dumb fucking incompetence.
They certainly are not being thwarted by an “opposition” that is cowardly and craven, if not outright complicit.
It's especially funny that what's finally undoing them is a conspiracy theory. The whole MAGA movement is founded on conspiracies. Just before starting his run for President, Trump was the birther in chief, pushing the conspiracy that Obama was Kenyan. Live by the sword, die by the sword, I guess.
The absolute cowardice of the Democrat party is supremely laughably sad. The US is no longer controlled by a government. Just rich people. Maybe it always has been.
Man. It when from no video exists to missing clips pretty fast
They've always said there was a camera covering the entrance to Epstein's wing.
What they didn't say was that only a sliver of the doorway is visible and there are multiple examples of staff entering and leaving the wing without being detected by the camera.
Yeah, I think if this is truly the only video they have considered vaguely close to "having a video", it was a fair description to say "we don't have video".
Alright, for arguments sake, let's give them the benefit of the doubt here. Let's assume that there was no one that entered or exited his room that night, that he killed himself alone in the room, that they released the tape in a good faith effort to show the truth to the world, and that, due to corruption or whatever unavoidable issue, those minutes were lost through no nefarious means and those missing minutes would have been as clean as the rest of the tape.... They're still morons for releasing it! How the fuck did they think that missing time would be interpreted!? They stoke conspiracy on the daily like it is their job with WAY less blatantly suspicious circumstances than this. Even if they weren't a bunch of evil fascists that are definitely trying to hide something, but just otherwise normal morons, they deserve the fallout of this for being that stupid.
Lying and being wildly incompetent are like hallmarks of the Trump regime.
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Could this be just clever editing? Does it need to be even 3 minutes of missing footage if you just cut entry and exit of some individual and replace them with fake or repeat frames.
Whole missing minute thing could be distraction.
More importantly, the video doesnt match the photos released in 2019. There is a difference in railing color, door and other differences. The video seems to be from a different location in the same building.
https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/23-085.pdf
Yeah, this I don't get, it's a video mostly (entirely for all I know) of a door with nothing happening except a timestamp. Seems supremely easy to fake if you were so conspiracy minded, while a gap between 11:59PM and 12:00AM seems both right when a scheduled outage would be and way too narrow and specific a timeline to carry out such a plan.
A conspiracy that could edit a gap in the video is a conspiracy that could have faked the footage just as easily.
TIL it takes 3 minutes to murder someone and make it “look like a suicide”
I mean, the last footage wasn't of his door, so you just need a few seconds to slip past the cameras each time
The camera doesn't even cover the full doorway.
You don't even need time around the cell for this. Just threaten with something that would be worse than suicide.
Simple explanation. When all the guards simultaneously fell asleep, one of them accidentally cut the power to the security system.
You can’t expect the Justice Department to provide footage that was never recorded in a freak accident that is totally not suspicious at all. It’s not like Epstein had mountains of dirt on the wealthiest and most evil people on the planet doing unspeakably horrible things to innocent children.
We should all just accept this ridiculous story as true and let the rich evil people get back to doing… whatever it was they were doing. I’ve already forgotten
Also don't mind that cellmate that got transferred out shortly before Epstein "killed himself". Such an unfortunate series of coincidences
I would guess that most of the time when a prisoner kills themselves it's when they don't have a cellmate. A cellmate is probably likely to stop someone or to call the guards, rather than just watch someone die.
Yes, which is why it was protocol that Epstein be assigned a cellmate specifically to reduce the chance of him committing suicide and a new cellmate should have been transferred in if the other one was scheduled to be removed for legitimate reasons
Assuming they were being competent and attentive. But, this is an American prison, so you know they're cutting every corner possible, hiring anybody with a pulse, lying about everything when caught, etc.
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And no one was shocked or surprised.
I've not seen the footage but was there any video of him even tying a noose? Like I'm sure creating and tying up some sort of rudimentary noose to hang yourself must take at least 30 seconds depending on how quickly you're trying to do it.
I haven't watched the video but it sounds like it doesn't actually show Epstein's cell. The camera shows an area someone would need to walk through to get to his cell.
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