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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 98 points 4 days ago

Well, yes. But that'd require fair, sensible distribution and use of available resources, and then how would we be able to support the ability of a handful of billionaires to subvert our democracies for their own gain? /s

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We are living in a false-scarcity society when we could be living in a post-scarcity one.

[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This a thousand times. The world is throwing away resources at an astounding rate while people are sick, homeless and starving because of numbers on digital ledgers. We need to drop the whole idea of money. It's served its purpose, run its course and has since turned into a life on this planet threatening perversion.

[–] IlovePizza@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think money existed well before false-scarcity. It is the wrong enemy. I know close to nothing about economy so I would trust economists like Varoufakis and the like.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 3 points 2 days ago

That's true, but it's served it's purpose and it's time has passed.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 61 points 4 days ago (25 children)

I've seen this before. Last time I looked, it required that everyone live in cities with good public transportation. It also didn't factor in modern necessities like air conditioning (which will be actually necessary in many more parts of the world due to global warming).

Basically, for this to work, everyone needs to live in 2-bedroom apartments... Without air conditioning or anything like a desktop PC. You'd have a small refrigerator and heat your food with a microwave (and nothing else because stovetop and ovens use up too much energy).

It also makes huge assumptions about the availability of food, where it can be grown, and that all the necessary nutrients/fertilizer are already present in the soil and that transporting/processing things like grain is super short distance/cheap.

Also, communism. It requires functioning communism. That everyone will be ok with it and there will be no wars over resources/land.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

It requires strict rationing. Everyone gets their fair share, and no one gets multiples of what other people get.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not only that, but all 8.5 billion would also need to be willing to stop any "lifestyle inflation". It's not just about accepting it for a day, it's about adjusting to that being the norm for themselves and for their kids into the foreseeable future.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

A question that I frequently ask when presented this is "what would you personally be willing to give up?" Of course it is important to realize that some of it is systemic and not within the average person's control (e.g. car-centric infrastructure)

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Right. I think there are a lot of people who would be happy to give up something, but would need big societal changes first. Like, giving up driving a car, but would need cities to be designed more like Europe where it's possible to get by without a car. Or, living in a more efficient high-rise apartment building vs. a less efficient detached house, but would need building codes and standards to be better so they weren't constantly being annoyed by a noisy neighbour, or having to put up with smells from other apartments.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Yes this lowest-common-denominator life we’d all be living would save billions suffering through abject poverty but none of those people are here, reading this right now. Everyone reading this would probably see a lifestyle decline. I always have to laugh when anyone in Europe or the US blab as if they are part of the 90%. We are 10%ers every one of us.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Kind of what I was getting at with my comments. The median standard of living doesn't have to be bad or even particularly uncomfortable, but it would require everyone who lives above that median to be knocked down to it and be okay with that. Which they won't. Meaning it will require force.

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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 73 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How does that quote go? Something like: the future is here, it's just unevenly distributed.

[–] OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We wanted Star Trek, but we got Shadowrun.

[–] Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This somehow completely disregards the most critical side-effect of overpolulation esepcially when you calculate in dying oceans and trees.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide

The sustainable capacity was calculated to be around 2 billion. This is not affected by food output.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago (8 children)

So farm less cattle and get away from fossil fuels.

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[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I saw this infographic posted a few days ago and it's a bit misleading. The percentages are based on biomass, not population. I also don't remember what the original source is, and it looks like it got cropped off the one you posted here. If you remember the source, could you link it?

[–] PolyLlamaRous@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Oh I got it from here but I tracked it down with a Google search.

I can't say if this is the original source but maybe. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/21/human-race-just-001-of-all-life-but-has-destroyed-over-80-of-wild-mammals-study

Biomass VS population makes some sense though. Having a million ants would be sure, lots, but having a million elephants would be WTF wholy shit!

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and combined with the data presented by OP, we can readily see that this absolutely does not need to be the case.

Combine these again with food waste data and you will see that the majority of those animals will be slaughtered only for the products made from them to wind up being thrown away without ever having been used. We (capitalist owners of industry) demand the slaughter of these animals en masse knowing full well that most of what comes from the act won't sell simply because there is a slim chance that it might sell, and we (society as a whole which has the capability of governance) have failed to make it cost prohibitive to do so. It's fucking disgusting.

There is absolutely no justification, other than to chase the profit incentive which I do not consider valid, for our practices in animal husbandry that have led to the overpopulation of certain species.

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[–] sobchak@programming.dev 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm skeptical. I just skimmed the paper, but most of it seems to be taking a financial/macro-economic perspective without too much analysis on individual resources availability and the damage just current levels of output are causing to our environment/resources. I've seen other research that claim we are already over the carrying capacity of Earth, some say by a large margin (e.g. carrying capacity is 2 billion people). I'm pretty sure humans are already using (and degrading) the majority of Earth's arable land, for instance.

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[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (14 children)

What are "Decent Living Standards?"

I'd bet that they're at least one step down from what the usual Westerner is accustomed to.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I bet you are basing your concept of the "usual" Westerner on your own experience, and you might be surprised at how the actual average person lives even in the "West".

But to answer your question, the article defines decent living standards as:

nutritious food, modern housing, healthcare, education, electricity, clean-cooking stoves, sanitation systems, clothing, washing machines, refrigeration, heating/cooling, computers, mobile phones, internet, transit, etc.

Nutritious food is unavailable to an alarming number of Americans, transit is a mess and almost exclusively car-centered, healthcare and education are severely stratified along economic conditions, and almost everything on that list is a commodity. The USA has sanitation systems almost everywhere, but that's just because rich poop and poor poop all smells like poop. Wherever the wealthy can isolate their own sanitation, they do.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 11 points 4 days ago

Out of that the US lacks health care for all, and it lacks transit pretty much everywhere outside of the large cities. Even the cities pretty much have nothing that reaches all the way out to the suburbs.

Where I live, you have to have a car to have a decent quality of life. People give up their homes before they give up their cars. So transportation needs to be addressed in order to have the quality of life promised. Most of the places that are food insecure are all about politics and bad people blocking food resources rather than the food not being available.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

We have already enough resources for everyone. It is just that the 1% is hoarding all of it.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"I have a magical reality-changing glove. Should I change the nature of beings to want to share for the benefit of all? Nah, I'm gonna remove a random half of them from existence. It's clearly the ONLY thing I could possibly do to solve the problem! I'm so smart and awesome!"

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The problem is a combination of intrinsic psychological biases of those with means. Once they reach a certain threshold, they become driven to keep accumulating until they own everything. Gotta catch 'em all.

This threshold is likely different for everyone, and may not be related to other thresholds of accumulation, such as:

  • When you have everything you want, except to upscale your stuff.
  • When you make more money than you can spend on personal expenses, including renting Venice for a wedding.
  • When you make more then you can spend [on large business transactions, unrelated to the] threshold where you can't possibly spend all your income without purchasing billion-dollar companies

Some capitalists are self aware enough to recognize the impulse is not sustainable, (also that profits are better had with happy workers) which often comes from having risen to wealth from more modest means. (But not always).

At any rate, rich dudes who drop billions into massive public improvement projects are rare, and when they do they tend to see it as revenue source, or at least something to exploit to improve their brand image.

So the next step for society is to discover a sociological technique that allows rich guys to think I have enough, to drop their surplus into the hands of the community (say the general fund of the local governing body)

That or accept that we are too simple a species to navigate some very imminent great filters. We may not count as a space-faring civilization that might encounter other space-faring civilizations.

This is not a new idea. Fourth International–Posadism opined that developing communism (or a refinement thereof) would be a prerequisite for space colonization. I'd argue changing from capitalism is a prerequisite for societal sustainability more than a couple of centuries from now.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Our problem is distribution. It's a hard problem to solve but it's much better than the easy solution.

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[–] Kevo@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Does anybody have sources around this stat? I fully believe it, but I'd like to have references to point to for myself in the future

[–] wulrus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I wonder how much of the problem would be avoided if the top personal CO2 emissions per capita were capped at Scandinavian upper middle-class level since 1970 (imported CO2 included). Flying on vacation only occasionally, comfy car yes, SUV just if needed, nice modern house yes, wasteful lack of insulation no, buy what you need and treat yourself to some fashion, electronics etc. yes, mindless consumerism no. Just a comfy standard of living.

I wonder if the mindless consumerism in certain countries with insane emissions per capita makes up a big part of the problem, or if the sheer number of "decent standard of living" would have pushed us over the edge anyway.

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