ope, just gonna squeeze on through this minefield, dont mind me
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You should edit your post with link to this PR - it's fixed now
This is fixed now.
Thank you for discovering this, and creating awareness around it.
Seems like a genuine miss, contrary to what the comments here would have one believe, given that the compose file (and rest of the docs) were mostly derived from whatever worked for the developers themselves.
Seems like a genuine miss, contrary to what the comments here would have one believe,
You might be right. I looked at the history and the way it came in, and it's not as wildly anomalous to the rest of the file when looked at in context. Maybe it's just a mistake.
That’s so on-character for .ml
The longer I look at it the more suspicious I am of it, to be honest. I'm just kind of generally a paranoid and accusatory person, so take that into account, but... the files are pretty carefully set up. They have variable substitutions for everything, including a bunch of places where there's a template substitution to change a string around when setting cache keys so that it'll still work out-of-the-box right away, even in complex configurations like multiple domains on a single server. It all works out-of-the-box right away, they've clearly been attentive to making sure it's all set up right and keeps working cleanly as things have been evolving forward. Except for that one place.
this is how those Marxist Leninst nation state actors work
Im loving that there are ml users coming in and defending it lol
Yeah, don't they realize they could have just spent that time productively by making a pull request, instead?
Honestly, you found the fault. I agree that you should put the request in.
I mean probably I should. There are a bunch of people accusing me of being dick headed and petty and they're not completely wrong. Honestly, I just don't feel like helping the Lemmy devs. Dessalines, at least, is totally unapologetic about being a dickhead to people he has power over. That puts me in a mindset where, mostly, I want to talk to other people about potential harm he's in a position to do, and not really in a mindset where I want to do even a small amount of extra work on his behalf.
I'm going to tell other people that he's in a position to take their passwords. If he wants to see that and put himself not in that position anymore? Great, I think he should. If he gets his feelings hurt because I'm not being super friendly about it? Well.. okay. I'm not trying to be malicious about it or do anything other than clearly communicate the problem. But it seems like the lemmy.ml "in charge" crew in general has a lot of a mentality that's kind of like, "Well, I'm in charge, and you're not, so fuck what you think and fuck your rights. Ban." (or whatever). The way I operate is that really makes me not want to be extra friendly or courteous to people. I used to have a regular donation to Lemmy development set up, I used to take it seriously the idea of getting involved in contributing to the code, and then I observed how they operate, and ... like I say I'm mostly talking to the other people involved who I think should be aware of this. If the devs want to react, fix it, or get involved in the conversation, then sure, sounds good.
The fix is in the comments below, if someone else wants to contribute it and do the very small amount of work of getting it in.
It sounds like a pull request would have been much more helpful, with much less effort. But you want it fixed less than you want it publicized, so you chose this option (even though you could have done both).
In other words, you cared less about the people impacted by this problem, and more about your own opportunity to put the author(s) on blast like this.
And you care about that opportunity so much, that it's even worth it to show this dark side of yourself publicly.
Am I understanding that right?
Or OP is spreading the word to get it out there. Now it's got eyes on it thanks to OPs work.
Jesus. Some of you people just want to shit on someone for doing a good thing for no reason. Have you put in a pull request yet or are you just showing your dark side on top of being a dick to OP who did something good?
One of the .ml users down below volunteered to put in the PR later tonight if no one else has, so it sounds like both bases are covered now.
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Let's not get carried away. Shared software systems are about more than the software. If you're looking only at the software, and that was literally 100% of what is important here and nothing else, then yes, you're right.
But you want it fixed less than you want it publicized
100%. Yes. Correct. I also want it fixed, but that's completely trivial, with or without the pull request.
I think there you hit the nail on the head! Just the fact that it is in there, whether intentionally or not is something that warrants warning people about. So that in the case someone goes to set up a server, they at least know that recently there was this rather severe risk of unnecessary credential exposure, again no matter if it was intentional or not.
However, I will say that I think I would have also opened the PR, not to help the original dev necessarily, but helping those that might come to use the software later.
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Was just gonna say. Exactly what some authoritarian boot lickers would do.
“Of course the Central Committee would have access to your instance. Why is that a problem? Are you doing something counter-revolutionary?!”
We are using their tools though...
Well, you are, while I am on PieFed:-P If you do not like what you've heard here, then consider switching to Piefed.World (Lemmy.World's recently-announced PieFed replacement for Lemmy)
Oh, that's interesting. Didn't know about that.
I don't think that there's a way to list instances that a PieFed instance has defederated from, unlike Lemmy; while both have a list of instances at /instances, only Lemmy indicates which ones have been defederated from. It was a helpful tool to help me guess the sort of content an instance had.
Like:
https://lemmy.world/instances (under "Blocked Instances")
https://piefed.world/instances
EDIT: It does show the last time that the instance sent data, and I guess you could sort of guess that if a large instance that probably has activity hasn't sent data to the PieFed instance recently
like lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net on piefed.world
then they're probably defederated. But it doesn't clearly indicate that this is the case, either.
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Why make a Lemmy post about this and not just a GitHub issue?
I think it should be more public knowledge than just people who peruse the github issues. Also, it's so trivial to fix that it will save them some time if they don't have to close the issue after they spend literally 10-15 seconds fixing it.
Just for the hell of it, I don't know about OP, but I don't even know how to.
I went to the relevant linked section and couldn't find a way to raise an issue directly. I'm going to try again, and if I succeed I'll return here and make a top level comment for anyone scrolling by and wondering. I've never tried to do this before, so I'll see how it goes.
Edit: aha!
You have to go to the issues page and select the "new issue" button, where you'll be directed to log in to github.
Which, for me, means I'm finished trying. No desire whatsoever to have another login for a one time thing. If I ever manage to learn enough code to do anything like this often enough, I'd do it, but it just isn't worth it to satisfy my curiosity about the process.
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Good catch, seems like an oversight.
Bruh
Now I have trust issues with open source programs.
points glock at VLC Media Player
"WHO THE FUCK DO YOU WORK FOR? TRYING TO JUMPSCARE ME?"
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I'm reminded of stories I've heard of graduate students hiding a note and some cash in the pages of their theses that they submit to the university, just to see if anyone bothers reading it and takes the cash. They return years later to find it still there.
With open source, the code is all there ready for review by anyone, as long as you have the technical knowhow and patience to review the code you use. But like reading the terms and conditions for everything we use, how many people actually take the time to go through all that code?
Some people do and at least you can, which makes it much better than proprietary software, where it is impossible to find out, if they didn't include a direct pipeline to whatever three letter agency asked them to do it.
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rise up against dockers and the evil empire of containerization! reproducibility! microservices! middle management! security!
/j
Seriously, is Docker a good thing or is it the usual hyped product that ends up being more expensive in the end? (like Amazon AWS)
Docker is not hosting. You can run docker on your own machine.
Dicker is fantastic, I don't see how it would drive cost up. It's not a service you pay for.
Yeah 100%, it's all Docker's fault at the end of the day
The funny part about this post is that @dessalines@lemmy.ml literally will not post on this instance (or most instances besides the tankie triad) because he is a coward.
spits on @dessalines@lemmy.ml
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Can you point to a repository somewhere?
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a/docker-compose.yml 2025-07-12 00:17:33.050443300 +0000
+++ b/docker-compose.yml 2025-07-12 00:18:21.038972526 +0000
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@
image: dessalines/lemmy-ui:0.19.12
environment:
- LEMMY_UI_LEMMY_INTERNAL_HOST=lemmy:8536
- - LEMMY_UI_LEMMY_EXTERNAL_HOST=lemmy.ml
+ - LEMMY_UI_LEMMY_EXTERNAL_HOST={{ domain }}
- LEMMY_UI_HTTPS=true
volumes:
- ./volumes/lemmy-ui/extra_themes:/app/extra_themes
Edit: From https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-docs/tree/main/assets
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