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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Cuban's and Venezuelan's are the main targets with this. And they overwhelmingly voted for Trump. (because a lot of them are far right refugees that fled Communist dictatorships) They thought a far right government in the US or be on their side. FAFO.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 57 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

I take comfort in knowing that, if I live a normal lifespan, Trump will die in my lifetime. Unfortunately, all the hatred and bigotry won't die with him.

[–] J92@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The cultural relief felt when thatcher died was palpable, and I wasn't even alive when she was actively fucking the country.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 hours ago

I lived near Brixton, South London. There was an immediate street party.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

He's absolutely a figurehead. Dozens of people are lining up to be the face of a much bigger fascist coalition.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody else has the ability to be the cult leader that he is. But maybe they'll be entrenched enough that they don't need the cultists' support any more.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Plus, hasn't he pretty well decimated the GOP ranks? Any worthy competitor has been exiled or humiliated or both leaving the ranks filled with only sniveling sycophants and uncharismatic bigots.

[–] 6stringringer@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

There has to be a pathetic charmer in that bunch. It really is amusing this here temu run at fascism.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The contest won't be over who can imitate Trump the best. It'll be who can use Trump as a martyr best. They all know Trump is the glue that holds their machine together.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Invoking a cult leader as a martyr can only get you so far. I'm unconvinced there's anyone else likely to successfully take on the mantle of cult leader after him. I guess we'll see eventually.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 8 hours ago

I'm honestly surprised that the fuck head that he is, has been able to build a cult. He's so fucking good damn repugnant.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 7 points 14 hours ago

More a disfigurehead amiright?

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I have theories about what may happen when Trump inevitably dies. 1. The best case scenario is Trump dies, and his whole empire just slowly fizzles out and goes away. 2. Trump dies, and then the true religion of Trump begins much in the same way as Jesus when he was crucified, and his supporters believed that he will rise from the grave, bringing about a new apocalypse and judgment for the non-believers. 3. Trump dies and a new vicious wave of domestic terrorism breaks out all over the country if not, the globe. 4. Trump dies and his supporters go full Jonestown and commit mass suicide. 5. Trump dies and his supporters believe that he will reincarnate much like the Dalai Lama bringing forth a new group of charlatans and snake oil salesman, believing that they are the reincarnation of Trump starting a new way of life and a new cult of Trump. 6. Trump dies and his supporters do not believe it in and reported sightings of him being alive will exist far after the fact much the same way as Elvis.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Of all the people for the dipshits to rally around, they picked this failed game show host. It's so very much stupider than I could have possibly imagined. I sort of get how they lionized Ronnie Raygun, despite how awful he was for this country and so on....the veneer at least seems halfway decent and he at least pretended to love this country and those that live in it.

Taco has just a complete disregard for everything good about this country and hates everyone. What is there to like about that?

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I believe that they like how he doesn’t care about anything but himself much like his supporters they only care about themselves and also being racist. And also Trump already being known helped and Obama being elected broke a lot of peoples minds. I live in a small town of about 4k people and the day after Obama was elected you would have thought that a 2nd 9/11 happened or a nuke was dropped. I also remember around that time an older coworker said that this country needs a rich, selfish, racist president and damn I should have put on it then. There are alot more factors that lead to where we are now with trump being president. We can only hope and cross our fingers that he dies soon.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I’m hoping for 4 but realistically I think it’ll be 5 but with a twist. They’ll have to find and agree to 1 leader, and internal fighting and splitting of the cult will begin. Whether or not they’re able to pick a leader will depend on how long t has left to live - he hasn’t publicly declared who is next in line and there isn’t anyone else that’s anywhere close to leading maga. If he dies today maga will be fucked.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Yes definitely. And in my personal opinion 5 would be the most entertaining outcome.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago

Well, there are conspiracy theories Hitler didn't die and he fled to Argentina. Even if that were true I think he'd be dead by now

[–] Dadifer@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I believe Trump is just the warm up. Full on religious hegemony is yet to come.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

We are far less religious than any point in recorded history.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That was true for Iran in the 70s, too.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 2 points 11 hours ago

And, supposedly, the US government a year ago.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 9 points 16 hours ago

And yet the people in charge of the judiciary are more religiously motivated than they've been in nearly a century.

It doesn't really matter if we as a society are less religious than ever if the people with their hands on the tiller are not. There's a reason they are called reactionaries......

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 74 points 20 hours ago (21 children)

This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

People facing denaturalization get no free lawyer, meaning poor defendants often face the government alone. There’s no jury trial — just a judge deciding whether someone deserves to remain American. The burden of proof is lower — “clear and convincing evidence” instead of “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Most important, there’s no time limit, so the government can go back decades to build cases.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 60 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

For most of American history, taking away citizenship has been rare. But it increased dramatically during the 1940s and 1950s during the Red Scare period characterized by intense suspicion of communism. The United States government targeted people it thought were communists or Nazi supporters. Between 1907 and 1967, over 22,000 Americans lost their citizenship this way.

This is why it's not good enough to simply stop doing horrible shit...

We need to change the laws to prevent future admins from abusing them

[–] jhymesba@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Easiest way here is make losing citizenship a criminal charge, with the whole 'appointed lawyer' and 'burden of proof' that designation includes. That's one thing a Dem "Project 2029" should include.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 22 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Stop acting like laws can fix fascism. Half of everything Trump, the GOP, and every lobbyists, have ever done is criminal and breaking dozens of existing laws. Laws only matter if they're enforced, otherwise they are chains utilized by fascists to delay an appropriate counter-response.

The only thing that will fix fascism are general strikes large enough to damage the economy and make the capitalist/political class shit they're pants, or violence. None of these psychopaths are going down without a fight.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 41 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I wasn’t aware that “denaturalizing” was an actual thing. Is this something with legal precedent, or just something Stephen Miller has made up.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 43 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Basically, can you afford a court case against the U.S. Government to prove you never made a mistake on paperwork, or someone translating for you didn't make a mistake. Was anything missing from your report you gave 20 years ago when you didn't speak English and they said include the following?

The thing that blows me away is why... It's just money being blown from our taxes, to deport people who pay taxes... In a time period they claim we need higher birth numbers because capitalism demands growth and population growth makes that easier to support the social programs we have left

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They don't even have to do that now.

A few weeks ago SCOTUS ruled that defendents deported from the US illegally would have to separately file cases to overturn their denaturalisation.

So the govt doesn't even need to get a court order to deport anymore.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

While they could do it illegally, the case you have to fund yourself is a civil case against the government to decide whether your naturalization can be removed. Only once it is removed can they deport you as a criminal per the supreme courts ruling. Every person deported prior to the civil court case would be a "fiasco.". Not saying it won't happen, but the Supreme Court so far deems it illegal.

Unless I missed something, where did you see that ruling?

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago

They're doing it to punish people they perceive as enemies.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 25 points 19 hours ago

It's all about power over people, so they can enrich themselves. They want slaves.

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 7 points 19 hours ago

They want to deport brown people. To them that's worth the cost.

[–] hendu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 20 hours ago

There is legal precedent, but since 1968 it's generally only been used on war criminals who lied to gain citizenship. They're going to start expanding what they consider to be "fraud" to include things like spelling mistakes and clerical errors, which is total bullshit. More details are in the article.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 16 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

The article states

The government can only do this in specific situations. It must prove someone “illegally procured” citizenship by not meeting the requirements, or that they lied or hid important facts during the citizenship process.

So, basically, it all goes back to that person's naturalization process, and the notion that there was something wrong with it. But for this administration, "hiding important facts" might mean "didn't tell us this tiny detail", or "didn't tell us they intended to vote for Liberals"....

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

I wouldn't put it past them to doctor old documents even. If ICE agents are willing to call livestreaming a "violent act" then they can self-justify fudging a document to deport another "invader".

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