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Not surprised, just disappointed. We went from the most pro consumer WH to what is shaping up to be the worst WH for consumer rights in my lifetime.

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[–] Gordito@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By no means would we want customers of digital companies to easily cancel. This would remove revenue from the hands of billionaires! Once these services get your credit card they should be able to charge you again and again as long as they'd like. It's a customer's obligation to support billionaires' yatch payments.

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[–] bss03@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

That's almost literally the opposite of what the judges actually said.

They specifically called out "the use of unfair and deceptive practices", but ruled the FTC has to follow it's own procedures and, in this case, did not.

Once the FTC follows it's own processes and procedures, it can institute the same policy.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 13 hours ago

Oh my sweet summer child, if only that were what is happening here.

[–] Gordito@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's like telling cops they must follow the rule of law before they can enforce it. There would be 0 cops doing anything.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 4 points 23 hours ago

No, that's like telling the city government they can't have cops arrest people for a law that hasn't passed council.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank fuck I moved every account I could to one of my credit cards. Won't cancel?

That's fine, broski. I can cancel it from my end lmao 🤣

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Except you can't anymore! I just cancelled my American Express and the lady warned me that any pre-existing subscriptions can still be charged to my account... she said I actually have to call the subscription companies to cancel, or they just keep charging and approving the charges I guess? Then I just get a bill from amex I suppose. Seems totally messed up, but they are more interested in protecting business than people. She said they have businesses have lots of protections now.

It's not a huge deal to me as I don't have any subscriptions on that card, but I was taken aback by how aggressive the laws protected business.

I mean chill, my wow subscription isn't legally binding.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Meh, report the card stolen then cancel.

[–] Vupware@lemmy.zip 3 points 19 hours ago

Some banks will do you the “favor” of transferring your automatic payments to your new card. Not sure if/how this applies to credit cards, though.

[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Gotta love some hard hitting coverage by Engadget, followed immediately by "Best Amazon Prime Day 2025 deals."

[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have the same problem with Wired. They have some great content, interspersed with articles that are basically ads for Amazon. Gotta pay the bills I guess.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The sad reality is that good journalism is expensive but no one wants to pay for it.

Even we, the readers who benefit from it, rarely want to actually pay for it.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 1 day ago

I think it's kind of a cold start, bootstrap, problem. I don't want to pay for journalism when I don't have faith it'll be good, but since no one's paying for it it's not good

[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Perhaps. Looks like both CNN and NBC News have "stories" on their front pages as well.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

And the "sale" prices are just what they normally were 6 months ago.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It is absolutely hilarious how bad their site is during big daddy's minor sale. An entire week of no news just, "50 cents off this humidifier."

[–] GuardYaGrill@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I only subscribe to 2 services, my VPN provider and a usenet provider. Everything else turns out to be free.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

I keep wanting to sub to a usenet provider, but never have the time to try and figure out which one and such.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] GuardYaGrill@sh.itjust.works 5 points 23 hours ago

Prowlarr handles indexing, I’ve had pretty good luck with free indexers.

[–] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] avattar@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 18 hours ago

Ah, I see. They do seem to waffle on a great deal over there.

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Engadget seems to have the least amount of information on this topic. The Ars Technica article went into a lot more detail.

I think this is bad in the short term, but good in the long run. The ruling doesn't stop the FTC from going through the process again for the Click-to-Cancel rule. They just have to follow the correct procedures. In this case they underestimated the annual economic effect that their rule would have, and at a certain threshold they are required to have a preliminary regulatory analysis for a rule.

The administration can weaponize the FTC if they really want to, so the courts ruling that the FTC has to follow the correct procedures helps to at least keep some things in check.

[–] DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

They just have to follow the correct procedures

Funny how courts only apply this requirement to agencies when run under Democrats. Meanwhile, RFK is ignoring all basic procedures to stop vaccines, etc...

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh, don't pretend that a Republican measure is going to be put under the same scrutiny. This is just an easy excuse so to keep people like you placated with a thin veneer of respectability.

The administration is going to weaponize the FTC anyway, and the supreme Court will back THAT to the hilt.

As for economic effect... That isn't something the court should be concerned with anyway! Who cares if it's profitable if it's illegal!

[–] NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh I'm not pretending that at all and I don't see how I implied that in any way. What I'm trying point out is that you'll have precedence on your side when going to court if the FTC does the same thing for a Republican measure.

What do you mean by "people like you?"

I'm not against the click-to-cancel rule, we definitely need something like that.

As for economic effect... That isn't something the court should be concerned with anyway!

The court ruling wasn't on the economic effect of the click-to-cancel rule. The ruling was that the FTC skipped their own requirements to make this rule.

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

By "people like you" I mean people that see this as a good thing. They're picking and choosing what laws this applies to and what they let slide. This is just the "easy out" that prevents "people like you" from being outraged at the blatant corruption going on.

It wasn't meant to be insulting.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Corruption in the USA? Perish the thought. /S