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Translation: "A black man is familiar with freedom in America. Here it is, uncle Tom's cabin."

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[–] TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 19 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The takeaway here should be that poverty creates crime.

and that systemic racism, ie deliberate policies, maintain the status quo and keep black and non white communities poor, and even some white communities are kept poor.

[–] rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works 119 points 13 hours ago (11 children)

By age 23, 49 percent of black males, 44 percent of Hispanic males and 38 percent of white males have been arrested.

https://www.albany.edu/news/45558.php

[–] Pendorilan@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe we just arrest people and throw them in jail way too fucking much. Land of the imprisoned, home of the DA

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 hours ago

I called 911 as the victim of DV, they came and arrested both of us. The system is so broken.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Arrest is different from imprisonment, it must be noted.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

All of those sound insanely high. If you take a group of 10 random adult men from the US, roughly four of them have been arrested?

Is a lot of it for underage drinking because that law is so far from lived reality?

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I got arrested as a kid for skipping school! I was being sexually assaulted in the school bathroom and was terrified of leaving the house, but obviously the way to solve that was cuffing me and throwing me in juvie.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Roughly 25% of the country will be arrested, or put on probation at least once in their lives. That's been a steady statistic since the early '90s when Clinton signed his crime bill.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Right, but this headline says age 23... hard to believe that!

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'm betting that this counts field arrests and not just people that are brought to the station, booked, and detained. By that definition, my close friend circle in high school would have been right in line with this numbers.

I, a white cis-man, was technically arrested twice before I was 23 (once for possession of alcohol and once for possession of marijuana) but I've never been brought to the station or read my rights. Both times a field arrest report was filled out and I was issued an appearance ticket with a court date. This was in NY so your experiences with the same crimes might be wildly different.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm betting that this counts field arrests

Does this include things like traffic stops, I wonder?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 4 hours ago

shoplifting probably being a contributor, as people steal felony worth sometimes, or prior to them demoting the actual charges to an actual misdeameanor, even then its still an arrest.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 13 points 10 hours ago

Police state

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 36 points 13 hours ago

Jesus fucking shit thats horrifying

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

I'm in my 40s and have met, I don't know, at least several hundred people over my lifetime more than once. At least as far as I know none of them has been in actual prison. Few have spent their night on the jail when getting too drunk (and obviously done some stupid shit while wasted) and police have "offered" them a bed to sober up but that's it.

Obviously not in the US. I can't even imagine society where nearly every other male you encounter would've been in prison at some point.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Same, except I am in the US. I suspect this is highly stratified by class, such that either nobody you know has been arrested or everybody you know has been arrested.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 hours ago

Yeah. I've (unfortunately) been in the US for the last few years. I'm at an university though, so most of my American peers come from a fairy rich (and mostly white) background. None of them have ever been arrested.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

White male who grew up in Idaho here.

I have been arrested on several occasions and so have a number of my friends.

I would not consider myself poor or lower class either. Id assume your theory holds some weight, but I'd also assume it follows a lot of trends we wouldn't expect as well.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

us does have the highest amount PRISONERS in the world, and incarceration rate. recividism is pretty high, as there is almost non-existent rehabilitation for offendors. also the fact they dont prepare inmates for the outside world years later, when things changed, so its almost impossible to get a job, so they commit another crime just so they stay in prison.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I was reading your comment, trying to decide if you're a liar or just that bougie. Then second paragraph. Most of my friends have been arrested at least once. I've been four times.

It is important here to note that in the US, prison is for sentences over one year and jail is under one year. That is not strictly 100% true but it's good enough to sort out the jail/prison terms problem. I've only been to prison to do some work. It was maximum security for what it's worth, and it was much nicer than any jail I've been too. People acted normally instead of totally fucking unhinged.

I'd rather do a year in prison than six months in jail.

[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

Never been to jail or prison, don't know anyone who has. Then again, I don't hang out with criminals.

[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 25 points 12 hours ago

And that is based on data only up to 2008. You know that's so much worse now.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 32 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

it helps keep the for-profit business in business, as being arrested makes it you ineligible for most military services, not all but the more specialize ones will deny you based on that, it still negotiable, except for felony, or SA any sex related crimes.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

and 38 percent of white males

The headline is bad, but my expectation would have been something low like 1% for white men. 30% worse treatment for black men is bad, but it is not the expected 5000%.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Do you live in the US? Most people I know have been arrested.

[–] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

Live in US and never met anyone who has been to prison. You really need better friends.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 52 minutes ago

Obviously not. I have read about stop and frisk and racial targeting. It never came up that at least a third of all males are arrested once. More puzzling, this doesn't seem to be limited to some states.

It's surreal. Why are people arrested? Are the arrests justified?

I can understand if the majority condones a police state to surpress the minorities. But if everybody gets arrested why is there not a successful movement for change? Do Americans know that it is different elsewhere?

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Why have so many people have been arrested in the US? This is crazy ridiculous.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

i was detained a well known chain store in the early 2000s for lifting, and at the same time they also ignored a tall white guy who went through security devices which caused it to beep, they completely ignored them and focused on me.

worst if your A POC, they target certain races in certain areas. back 90s 2000s i heard they went after alot of asians in LA area because of alleged gang activity. they almost never target affluent or near affluent areas.

if you a poc walking near even certain groups of white people you will get the immediate dirty look from patrons and even the employees of certains business sometimes or even change thier body language, never seen that when a white person does that.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction —US 13th Amendment

Capitalism and Statism. That's why

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That is an insane percentage, holy crap.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago

also preferentially targeting Race too, and then income wise.

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 25 points 11 hours ago

Damn. Glad I'll never go to that backwards ass shithole country.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 15 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Land of the free...

I'd like to compare with stats for other parts of the world.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 45 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

What was that? The land of the free?

Whoever told you that is your enemy.

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

Can't waste the day when the night brings a hearse. So make a move and plead the 5th 'cause you can't plead the 1st.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Is this an anti-flag lyric? It sounds so familiar

edit: wait it's rage against the machine isn't it

[–] IloveyouMF@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

Free all of them, I don't care what crime they committed this racist system can't try them fairly