omg guys calm down holy fuck. I swear to God progressive and leftists are the masters of infighting, I wish we could not squabble like this. whatever anyone is doing is good, I know it comes from a good place but we've got to stop all this incessant bitter. people on the right go along with whatever batshit insane plan their chosen lunatics shovel out, while we debate about semantics and methods lmao

The civil war that follows isn't even the difficult part.

The difficult part is coming up with a vision for the time after the civil war. And that's gonna be difficult. If americans couldn't agree on a policy before 2025, why would they be able to come up with one after that?

"today we declare independence from the USA" was a particularly nice headline from the guardian

Is it possible ? Can US americans revolt against their own government ?

The state necessarily has a monopoly on violence; it’s part of what makes it the State. But what choice do the People have when the power of the state is seized by a group determined to use that power against its own population? The USA is famously “invasion proof” but there is nothing in place to protect us from such abuse. The only response that could stop a protracted guerilla style resistance is the total dissolution of the senate and house with immediate emergency elections to replace 100% of the members

That's what all their guns are for, right? Not just for shooting minorities and kids, right?

The only times americans revolted against their government was when americans were fighting to KEEP slavery. So I wouldnt get my hopes up.

When in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.

-United States Declaration of Independence

My guess is that their revolt will be similar as the recent Chinese and Russian ones.