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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's about Russia and it's militarist expansionism, not about Trump.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Its both. But not to appease trump, but to be prepared in case of a standoff

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I suspect you're right.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. [...] The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people." - Eisenhower

[–] Maalus@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (20 children)

Kewl. If only there wasn't a country that invaded another country on our borders, that openly talks about invading even more, fucking about with our utilities and using spies, the internet and sabotage to fuck around even more.

A comfy life needs to be secured with military might, like it or not. Otherwise you get assholes in shitholes trying to forcefully take it from you. Rome knew that, the US knows that, the EU knows this (otherwise it wouldn't exist - since it is made to increase bargaining power and contains mutual defense clauses).

So until Russia stops being a militaristic shithole that invades its neighbors and starts building those schools, power plants, hospitals and highways, we need to spend taxes on military. And yes, Russia is a threat - Georgia shown us, 2014 has shown us, 2022 has shown us.

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[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 37 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

The fuck we are. This sounds like psyop

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 21 minutes ago

Well the UK just cut disability benefits.

France is cutting support for chronically ill people.

The swiss government is planning on removing disability benefits for young people…

[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago
[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 30 points 11 hours ago (13 children)

I distrust this type of article as China and Russia have lots to gain from trying to stirr up opposition or protests in Europe, especially on this topic of defense.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 133 points 17 hours ago (20 children)

Jesus fucking Christ. The fact that he is getting away with so much bullshit based solely on the fear that he might do something is absolutely infuriating. Like, I get it. I understand that it's a complicated issue and these people caving to him are trying desperately to appease him to save their own countries or themselves. But this man, and whoever is backing him and possibly pulling the strings, is purposefully destroying society for more money and power. So much shit going backwards because less than 1% of the 8 billion of people on the entire fucking planet felt like they didn't have enough.

And at the end of the day, when everyone is done appeasing a madman, what will be left? What kind of world will we create as we bend the knee to the man that wants us all to suffer? If you appease the madman to save yourself, the only thing you will get in return is a life of fear in a madman's world.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 48 minutes ago

The part that really gets me with this bending the knee shit is that he can have a dementia fit the day after they cut funding for their programs and they'll be in the same spot.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Worse. More like less than 0.0001% of the humans on the planet.

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

With or without Trump, I don't think Europe has a choice at this point. Yes, if they US held up their part against Russia, Europe would have to spend less. That's the one area where Trump screwed Europe, but that being the case, Europe needs to spend this much on defense. Trump can just be a convenient excuse.

[–] head_socj@midwest.social 1 points 5 hours ago

Now the question is: will they demilitarize if/when the threat dissipates? Methinks the EU is repeating the fatal appeasement strategy of the 1930s.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 55 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

At this point, I'm pretty sure they're just using it as an excuse to wreck social services.

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