Ah, Dan Goldman, why?? Damn it.
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Not projection, just a flat out lie.
New York resident here. Hakeem Jeffries has always sucked. As does Kathy Hochul. Complete garbage.
Ah, but if you said anything against the blue (but not in favor of red), you were the vile, evil... CENTRIST! (I.e. a label just applied to you to single you out for not blindly agreeing with the zeitgeist.) Seriously, the front page of Lemmy for a good while was just toxic political "VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO" and if you didn't agree, you were just a problem.
The critical part of 'vote blue no matter who' is the voting part. That's the game plan short-term when it's election season.
That does not preclude criticizing the incumbents. Or even the candidates. But no matter how you feel about them, you vote for them to stave off misery, and encourage everyone around you to do the same.
Not voting for them sends a message, but it's the wrong message - and that message is that the populace prefers the GOP. Stop fascism in its tracks and vote blue. Fight for actual progress by doing what you can to forward actual progressive candidates and policies. Like NYC is doing right now.
It boggles my mind how people seem to be incapable of wrapping their head around that concept, and instead continue to insist that we shouldn't be voting for DNC candidates because
uh - it'll make things better??? Somehow??? At this point, the willful ignorance is starting to smack of sealioning.
Not voting for them sends a message, but it’s the wrong message - and that message is that the populace prefers the GOP
Hard disagree on that. That's assuming the intentions of the people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_are_either_with_us,_or_against_us
If you're argument is that we need to be doing what's right and pushing for progress, then why is that cast as something ONLY the "blue" can do? I don't know how old you are to see how many times the "blue" has absolutely failed at their job, failed the people, but for no other reason than they're in the right party, they keep getting voted in. But I've seen several "blue" presidents do anywhere from fuckall to the bare minimum in terms of progress/change.
There are other options to vote for that don't just include the GOP as you seem to suggest. The US isn't supposed to be just a 2 party system. It's supposed to be dynamic; these parties are supposed to die off when they no longer represent the people. If you want progress and change, but keep doing the same thing that doesn't seem to be all that progressive.... are you making any progress?
I don't know if you've been watching the current political climate in the USA, but 'anywhere from fuckall to the bare minimum' is drastically, ridiculously, absurdly better than what the GOP is doing when they are in power - and when first-past-the-post is the only voting method, and elections are as tight as they are, you can whinge all you want about the morality of voting for someone who doesn't actually represent your interests, but not voting blue helps the GOP win.
The system is broken, yes, but harm reduction is the name of the game when it's the only choice you are given.
Save the moralizing for primaries and local races. We've seen what happens when people withhold their vote, and what happens is fascism.
FPTP voting results in 2 parties unfortunately. until the system changes, voting 3rd party does fuck all.
This this this this this.
I keep saying this refrain. The time to reform the party is after elections, until the primary (NOW). The time to vote for the party is during the election period. Sure, state your grievances anytime or all the time to get your politicians to listen. But handing the win to chaos to state your case gives the way to fascism.
Not terribly helpful when the party just ignores us until the election when it's "too late."
Well Mamdani is a sign that they (billionaires and establishment politicians) aren't just ignoring progressives (if that's what you mean by us), they are actively campaigning against reform, we are pushing back. I know it can feel helpless, but don't just assume nothing is happening.
In the general election, that's what you should do. If establishment Dems don't back their nominee, it doesn't change how you should vote.
People who didn't vote blue in 2024 actively chose a fascist regime. Anyone who doesn't vote blue in all the upcoming elections (with a Fetterman exception, but he should be primaried) is endorsing the MAGA movement.
Hard disagree. If we continue the narrative that the US is a 2 party system, actively rejecting and backing other parties in fear "the bad guy will win" (a sentiment and view shared with the Dem/Rep parties), then we've entered a endless loop that only as we've seen over the decades, is a race to the bottom. We elected Biden because we didn't want Trump and largely for no other reason. That's not a good reason. And Biden even commented that he was perhaps too old (his words).
And it's a fallacy, shared by the Dem/Rep, to fear-monger the "If you don't vote for MY party, then it's voting for the other party (the bad guys)". This was a false narrative that was spread this election and several before it, to prevent anyone else from opposing the status quo. A vote for 'not my party' is not a 'vote for the other party'. If I can't vote how I want (speaking broadly here for everyone), then my vote doesn't matter. And if my vote doesn't matter, then I'm not being represented. And if you're going to argue that, I'd like to point to the huge number of eligible voters who consistently don't vote. If we cast non-votes as a vote of no confidence, we'd see a big change in things. But doing that means Dem/Rep would lose the seesaw swings in power they have come to enjoy.
So no, you shouldn't just throw your vote blindly behind any side. Especially because the internet thinks you should (and again, that goes for Dem/Rep alike).
When the major party candidates include a literal fascist building concentration camps and sending people to torture prisons without due process and a wildly imperfect opposition party candidate, you for against the literal fascist.
People who chose not to vote for Harris because they weren't "excited" to vote for her chose not to stand in the way of Trump, and they are responsible for him winning the election.
If you didn't vote for Harris, you have blood on your hands and should be losing sleep over it.
I voted libertarian in the last election. Not because I thought they had any chance of winning, but because neither party had a candidate I would like to endorse and instead of not voting I gave it to the libertarians to help them stay over the threshold for the next election.
The two party system is going to be the death of America.
You voted for Trump, and you have blood on your hands.
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With the current political climate USA is in, it might weaken him to get endorsements from the establishment.
Their masks are coming off. Voting in line with republicans and being vocal against anything progressive.
I was thinking the other day after NPR mentioned Elon's recent spat that he could fund other candidates in mid terms. If he endorsed Democrats that might do more harm than good lol.
For sure. I would immediately be sceptical of any candidate, even progressives, if Elon endorsed them.
We'd end up with another Fetterman.
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VBNMW was always "we want to give you a shitty candidate, you'll vote for it and you'll like it."
It's always been the same fear mongering strategy dems and Repubs have always used. Today it's just very effective.
Okay, just hear me out for a second.... I completely agree they should endorse him, but rather than just saying they are irreverent (though this may actually be the case) I would like to know in clear and concise terms WHY they are waiting/failing to endorse the man whom was chosen by the people. I think knowing why they won't endorse him is very relevant to the discussion. Eith
TLDR; their silence is very telling.
I don't know about the rest of them, though I certainly have my suspicions, but with gillibrand it's very clearly just racism. That interview she gave was extremely telling.
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If you primary these establishment fucks out you don't have this problem.
This. We've seen what republicans want to do. We need to stop them and vote 'not-republican' when we can before the ability to do so is gone. The problem is we cannot stop there and only vote every 2-4 years for the least-bad option, we need to make better options. "Both sides" is reductive and hides the problem.
Get involved: find and support people who have your views for all offices: city, county, state, federal, maybe even HOA. Most of these are important. If the incumbent is not working for us, we need to fight them and suggest someone better. If the incumbent is unchallenged, then that's a travesty and they need a primary, if the same party, or an opponent.
For the a while now we've seen the 'left' chase the 'center' and people like OP are mad at this. The solution is not 'vote blue no matter who', but that is a bandage to slow the bleeding and will resonate with the less-involved allies we have. The solution is to prove that we are the majority and push our own into leadership roles where they can make things better.
If you're angry right now, run for office or canvas for someone who is. Being mad, depressed or just bitching online isn't fixing anything. You can make things better, and it starts with finding a 'blue' worth voting for.
Why the fuck is schumer still in office?! Hes the very definition of a dickless, useless democrat. Fuck that guy, just get lost useless boomer, let someone who gives a shit take the seat.
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Did those politicians say "vote blue no matter who" or was that people online in an effort to avoid gestures broadly?
Genuine question, they've always been massive disappointments who would benefit from that.
I specifically said "vote blue no matter who", because while yes, there are Establishment Democrats that exist, Extermination Republicans are quite objectively fucking worse.
Because if Fascist 47 wasn't in office, we could at least try to get shit done, instead of putting out 17+ daily fires.
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