Brain drain is real and researchers in the US are already moving to other countries. Take for example France is enticing Nuclear scientists from the US for the fusion research project. History is definitely repeating itself.
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History is written by the winners. Our current history is being rewritten by a crybaby, selfish, nazi.
If you're too stupid to understand basic science and too proud to admit it, then this is the course of action that you follow.
That's the weirdest part of trying to change the "system of science." It's not a system, it's a process, it's rigorous, controlled, and peer reviewed.
What Hitler enabled was psychopaths being allowed to practice torture and murder.
When he says "the scientific system," he's talking about the institutions we have in the US that educate, employ, conduct research, and/or fund people conducting science. I guess I thought it was obvious he's not referencing the scientific method
Oh boy I'd love to hear Donald J Trump's exact thoughts on the scientific method. Every damn thing he's has to say about it will be absolute gold.
He would just parrot whatever the last person he spoke to said about it.
If he didn't talk to anyone about it beforehand, he would just talk about how "beautiful" our scientific methods are.
I can give it a try.
We're going to make America great again. Not great, VERY great. Tremendously great. Great economy, great people, great science.
Science today, it's not great. All these WOKE theories and hyperthees. That's not science, that's wasted money. The scientists today, they take our money. They give it to Harvard, woke Harvard. Spend it on DEI, not SCIENCE. They're cheating, taking advantage of HARD WORKING Americans. We don't pay them to ask questions. I KNOW science, that's NOT science. We tell them to do science, they don't DO science. They do SOME science, then they do it AGAIN, asking for money. That's FRAUD.
“My uncle was a scientist at MIT, so I think I know science better than most people. Also, magnets stop working if they get wet.”
Magnets, how do they work?
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So, literally exactly what was promised. In excruciating detail.
It’s mind boggling how Trumps policy is twisted positively so relentlessly. There’s so much deciphering of “oh he really means this writes an essay.” No, his platform means what it says.
Then people are shocked when it happens!
Nobody took Mein Kampf seriously either.
Every platform I have warned about the alt-right rise since 2014 has absolutely buried me in downvotes, bans, and months of harassment
You fuckers get what you deserve, next time listen
This has been the longest and most tiring 6 months I've ever experienced
Amen, my friend. My spouse keeps telling me to have patience wait for the consequences to hit these clowns. I am just very impatient because I don't want them to succeed in ruining more things for other people before they get what's coming to them.
Good on you for marrying someone so optimistic
If he were to reply to your comment I know he would say "I'm not optimistic. I'm realistic." Haha He's great. Genuinely one of the best people I have ever met. Everywhere he goes he makes friends, inspires people and helps them improve themselves. So effortlessly kind and accepting of others. And he always believes things will be made right even if a situation is bleak. The shit he deals with on the daily in his job has broken most people, but not him. His psyche is made of titanium, I swear. No matter what type of day he has had or what he is carrying in silence, he always has emotional bandwidth to be there for others. I love him so much.
It takes a lot longer to rebuild the town than it took to burn it down. It's sad that the consequences will take decades to fix if the course is corrected. The US has at this point suffered a lethal dose of radiation, it's dead, but doesn't know it quite yet.
There's no fixing it, we are done as a unified nation
Go ahead tell me I'm wrong like all the other times I wasn't.
Yeah, thats why I'm so impatient for this shit to end NOW. I don't want to see innocent people have their futures utterly annihilated for years to come. It is so frustrating.
Adrian Tchaikovsky is famous for being a prolific science fiction author.
He should also be known for his disturbingly accurate prediction of current events. I keep reading his work then finding the backstories becoming more realistic (and not in a good way).
i have a feeling many scifi writers are pretty good at predicting "current events/future events" through abstract means, you kinda have to be if you want to be a scifi writer. even pre-2000s shows like simpsons, or scifi shows are good indicators.
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Luckily the reality that science attempts to measure doesn’t care about politics and will still exist no matter what he says. What it does mean is that it’ll be discovered in another country and the US will grow more and more isolated
UsA WILL decline like russia does, since russia is known to fund groups like these besides right wing governments.
As someone looking at this from the outside (and also with an interest in space) the saddest part for me personally has been the decline of NASA. I'm doubtful they will ever get back the prestige they once held after all is said and done. I hope I'm wrong but.. yeah.
Also while I'm on the topic - I have my doubts about the chances of a long term program successful enough to compete in Europe and that only really leaves one major player left on the field: China. Everyone else will presumably be playing catch-up in the foreseeable future unless something drastic happens.
..and with the probable war we are about to have on our hands it's even worse. So much for science.
Unfortunatly science is influenced by politics and ideology. Scientific research rely on funding by political and ideological funders
yea, i have read on other platforms that when applying for grants, researchers after to be careful around global warming, like "who is to blame" if they point it as a human cause they are unlikely to get funded(the backers are often billionaire groups who are part of the problem" it would have to be labeled as something abstract to even be considered for funding. but its probably not as hard for every grant though. and i think many people in the PHD field hate doing grant writing , and thats another whole can of worms.
I'm not sure I've detected an ideology on the right. They seem to be the most idealess people to have ever been pussyshat.
Hate and fear, fear of not enough, and hate for everyone else who may take it.
It's literally that simple
Their ideology: man is boss. Woman is kitchen. God is science. Money is God.
There are a couple as I see it. You have the religious fundamentalists, I think this is mainly seen in the rules and court cases allowing people to be asses backed by religion. They also are trying to push their ideas nationwide, this is at odds sometimes with the next group. You have the anti-federalists, to them anything the federal government does is evil (especially if its not their rules). This is the ripping out of all the federal departments. They don't see any good coming from them. Any tax is theft, and any money spent is wasted. (military excluded). The third group is similar to group 2, but they are just anti-regulation. "the free market will figure it out". Now I don't think any of these groups have good ideas, but the only reason they are doing what they are doing is because they have ideas and have been working on it for a long time.
Are these guys just now figuring this out?
Psychopaths, sycophants and grifters vying for power were all very prevalent at German universities and research labs at that time. While Engineering still kind of worked - as it was needed for the war machinery and larger industry - even there, with it being "politically neutral", there was a brain drain - because education allowing for creative thinking was curtailed more broadly, and many talented minds were killed or displaced or even just disfavoured in favour of more nepotistic choices.
And the myth of "German engineering" being fundamentally way above allied engineering during the war still holds in some circles, when mostly it was about different priorities (like - reliability instead of complex engineering, or the proximity fuse instead of rocketry, or radar instead of jet engines), and even in the spaces where Germans had a leg up on their enemies, it was not a fundamental advantage, but a gap that was being bridged even before German scientists were recruited after the war.
As much as history was distorted, the Nazis regime still fancied itself as secular and intellectual, right?
This one seems to view the scientific establishment as a distrusted obstacle, corrupt. There’s not even the pretense. Demolishing “woke” science is the stated point.
Sort of, they also had weird currents of esoteric nonsense, like "Welteislehre" for example. Or Himmlers expeditions to Tibet to find the origins of the master race and evidence of supetnatural abilities. They believed themselves to be secular and anticlerical, but they had their own cult with superstitions.
And they absolutely hated some scientists, relativity was a thorn in their eyes, for example, as "Jewish Science".
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Those of you that paid attention during the evolution and creationism (the round 2) fiasco should be familiar with what's going on right now.
we were there with intelligent design as well.
I remember during the GWBush years they tried this whole "put the 10 commandments in classrooms" thing, and they quietly pulled them after students started applying those 10 commandments to their teachers, religious leaders, parents, politicians...
They don't ACTUALLY want these kids learning the Bible because the Bible teaches love and generosity.
Thing is I think W was naive enough to kinda believe in that stuff. The bunch in charge now don’t at all, but they want the idolatry and compulsory indoctrination by coercion.
they also dont want the bible being applied to them too(the ones in charge). they just want followers.
I say let them.
Iran was a progressive country once too and look how it is now. Also look at it's power nowadays. The US wants to be Gillead from the handmaid's tale? Then go ahead. You'll be a third world country, unable to feed your own population, within a few years.
Good luck
it was progressive, until the USA backed the shah of iran, which turned into islamic state because of the USA meddling.
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good, nothing would destroy the USA harder in the long term
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