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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 62 points 11 months ago (11 children)

This is why it will take decades to undo the damage to the reputation of the United States on the world stage.

The world cannot count on Americans to vote for sanity.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 7 points 11 months ago

Considered how many countries was couped or bombed by the united snakes, the reputation ahould have been so low for decades

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[–] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Pretty sure most poling data has been "adjusted" to fit the narrative of the oligarchy at this point. Think for yourselves kids.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Idk. I want to agree, but that's how we got Qanon. Thinking for yourself without data is just inviting biases to control what you believe to be true.

I want it to be true that America would not have actually chosen Trump, but the older I get the more I see, the more I realize we're surrounded by severely under informed, misinformed, disinformed, igorant, selfish, people. The moment nuance is required to actually understand a situation, you can bet it won't be. :(

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I want it to be true that America would not have actually chosen Trump, but the older I get the more I see, the more I realize we're surrounded by severely under informed, misinformed, disinformed, igorant, selfish, people. The moment nuance is required to actually understand a situation, you can bet it won't be. :(

By design, unfortunately :(

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Reminder, QANON started on the internet as a joke making fun of Republicans.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Is that true? I thought it was from the people who ran 8chan?

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago

It started on 4Chan and then moved to 8Chan. It is pretty much impossible to know if it was the same person on each site.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Both are correct

[–] antisocialite@lemmy.today 2 points 11 months ago

It started on 4chan as a troll. It was a meme at the time to have these "government whistleblowers" post on 4chan with anti-Hillary stuff. There were a bunch of them, like FBIAnon and CIAanon. Where they failed, and the four kids behind Qanon succeeded, is that they were too specific with their predictions that never happened, while Qanon was vague and cryptic, so it had lasting power. The account changed hands several times before being taken by Jim Watkins who later owned 8chan.

[–] auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

There is lots of data though. Trump had absolutely nothing and got laughed out of courts by judges he appointed.

https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

There is a difference between attesting that people wouldn’t have voted for Trump and attesting that this survey does not prove anything. The latter seems to be the only thing we can deduce here.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (12 children)

This was the Pew Research Center, the most credible polling organization in the US, and in the article it explains how they compensate for potential biases.

They even surveyed 9 times the usual sample size to make sure this was a legitimate trend.

The article is from NPR, the most credible news outlet in the US.

People need to snap out of this denial that the US didn't willingly vote in a fascist because we were sick of stagnation

[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But what if the data itself is the problem? The Rockland county tampering case may show that the voting machines did not report the actual vote. In that case, we have very good analysis of incorrect data.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

These were bias controlled groups of voters and non voters, this has nothing to do with voting machines

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the most credible news outlet in the US

The most credible corporate-funded media outlet in the US.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You intentionally misread, that's so fucking disrespectful.

The Pew Research Center is not a news organization, and is controlled by a nonprofit.

"The Pew Charitable Trusts is an independent non-profit, non-governmental organization (NGO), founded in 1948."

If you would like to name a more credible US based polling org i challenge you to do so, i haven't seen one.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

The article is from NPR, the most credible news outlet in the US.

No.

This was the Pew Research Center, the most credible polling organization in the US

The most credible car wash is still just a car wash. It’s not magic. Polls get it wrong all the time. 9,000 chosen respondents is as many people as there were in the local grocery store between 8am-5pm. It’s nothing. Yeah they fixed it with math, sure. Because they have all the variables and every one is dead-on. No.

People need to snap out of this denial that the US didn't willingly vote in a fascist because we were sick of stagnation

What

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Fucking NPR goddammit.

The survey of almost 9,000 voters was conducted in the weeks after the 2024 presidential election.

You don’t see any problems with that?

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Just remember information can be manipulated to say anything you want.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Just a reminder that it is, in fact, possible for the claim to be true as well.

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[–] mr_manager@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Most people vote on vibes - that’s what the data always shows. They follow their peers, community, maybe a trusted authority figure. They are not, and have never been informed on issues, and they aren’t interested in learning more about them. I think those of us who do try to stay informed fall into the trap of thinking “if these folks were only better educated about this issue they would vote differently”. But that has never been and will never be true. Gotta project better vibes, baby!

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

“The only correct study pew has ever done.” - Trump

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

I do wonder whether the story here is that the non-voting population largely mirrors the popular vote. This was the first time in their survey the Republican won the popular vote and the first time their non-voting respondents went toward the Republican candidate.

Which isn't entirely surprising, as both that's probably driving the vibes and many non-voters are not apolitical, but just don't vote because their elections are not competitive.

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