Apart of Elon being idiot why would we even consider buying Tesla anyway? Competition is much better when it comes to things like access to authorized service. Charging network is a non-issue in Europe as we have full roaming and one socket standard and brands like Kia, Mercedes or even BYD have competitive prices while all being great quality.
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Also, one huge Pro to not having a tesla is not having to worry about it blowing up for no reason.
Or having it vandalized.
Or it being a death trap in an accident.
c'mon, incidental explosions are what make life exciting!
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According to Tim Urban's blog article on Tesla and Muck from 2015, one of Muck's stated goals was to jumpstart the other auto manufacturers into producing their own EVs to accelerate the trend toward a more sustainable energy future. Whether that was true then or now is irrelevant, but it is nice to see EVs of many brands being made and purchased. Obligatory Fuck Muck, existential disappointment that he will forever be.
That is the one credit I will give to Tesla and Musk, they made the EV not only a realistic choice, but actually cool.
The original Model S was a cool car when it was launched, but now there are plenty of other cooler alternatives.
It's not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
For instance, Kodak pretty much invented the digital camera, but Canon and Nikon are the clear leaders now while Kodak's digital camera division was sold off.
Xerox has entered the chat, with the first commercial photocopier, the GUI, laser printer, and computer mouse, in addition to the ones you think of.
It’s not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
Except Tesla wasn't the first mass market EV. It wasn't even the second. The first would be the GM EV1 in 1997:
Many would argue that the EV1 doesn't count because it was on old technology. Fine then, the Nissan Leaf from 2009 then sporting its lithium battery:
Tesla Model S brought performance, range and styling that both of those were missing. However, we don't need Tesla anymore in the world if Musk is still benefiting from it.
Those advancements were made possible by the Roadster, which was the true pioneering product that made EVs cool again. A car that was dreamed up and invented by Martin Eberhard, and would go on to be built by someone else that gave him the shittiest end of the most shit-covered stick there ever was.
Everything that has given Tesla a reputation as an imnovative company was either done by the original inventor or their amazing engineers over the years.
Elon brings money and celebrity recognition to the company. If the celebrity recognition turns and becomes a net negative, the money is going to start becoming an issue too because his loans might get called and then he's got nothing to bring to the table. I choose to dream about that future right now.
Those advancements were made possible by the Roadster, which was the true pioneering product that made EVs cool again. A car that was dreamed up and invented by Martin Eberhard, and would go on to be built by someone else that gave him the shittiest end of the most shit-covered stick there ever was.
All credit due to Eberhard and Tarpenning for the idea and some of the initial development of the BMS, but its not like they had a full car ready to sell and before Musk came in. Tesla was established as a company in 2003, Musk was brought in (with his money) in 2004. The first Roadster sold in 2008. Now stop making me say anything positive about Musk just to set the record straight. Its making me sick to talk about him positively after what he's become and how much harm he has caused human society.
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Electric cars have been around for a very long time. According to Wikipedia, in 1912, 38% of 33,842 cars in the US were electric.
I think that Tesla showed that a modern performance car could be electric. It made electric cars cool again.
I would never be caught in a Tesla though.
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In Tesla's case, its because they rushed to beat the competition. You'll notice they were a "tech company" not a traditional car company. The actual car companies came out with mature, fully baked, offerings rather than trying to be the first.
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Rivian seems better in literally every way, isn't it?
Price wise also?
It's been a while since I looked at EVs, but my (US) experience at the time was that Tesla was one of very few companies offering sedan-shaped EVs. The US market was full of crossovers & SUVs (like Rivian), and that form factor seems antagonistic to many of the things that make high performance, long range EVs: terrible aerodynamics, high body weight, poor visibility... They're big enough to fill will batteries to compensate for the poor efficiency, but that just raises costs.
Don't know about availability in the US, but at least in Europe there are many, many alternatives out there, both from traditional brands (Mercedes, BMW, etc etc) and more recently, from Chinese brands.
A friend bought a BYD Seal the other day, he got a total bargain for their top version at 41k€, but that got me looking into them, and their lineup is looking pretty impressive.
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Had a conversation about this the other day with a coworker, albeit about ICE cars but still applicable I think. Car manufacturers made tremendous progress in effeciency and negated all of that by justifying making their cars 2x bigger than they were 20 years ago. It's ridiculous. A modern Subaru Outback is about the same size as a mid-90s Suburban. Gets about the same mileage as my 2001 Outback, even with all the effeciency tech
modern Subaru Outback is about the same size as a mid-90s Suburban.
No it isn't
Fair points! In my mind I guess I was thinking cyber truck vs. Rivian truck.
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I am unaware of any other EV that has sentry mode on the cameras like that on the Tesla. Would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
AFAIK Kia has a Korean only release EV6 that had it, but none of the other options utilise the whole suite of cameras to record.
But is it needed on anything other than a Tesla?
I've had a Ford (mid range SUV) and a Toyota (base model sedan) which were both damaged whilst parked, and nobody left a note. Lots of people posting in the community groups about carpark damage and no notes being left, and no luck with local cameras.
So yes, it is needed.
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who had hoped anger toward Elon Musk would have faded by now
Even fucking goldfish remember what he's done. He has irreversibly associated Nazism with Tesla at the same time that cheaper and better electric vehicles are coming out of China. The only way is down and that's not going to change until he is no longer part of Tesla and a lot of time has passed.
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🤣 🤣
a blow to investors who had hoped anger toward Elon Musk would have faded by now
Methinks they may have underestimated Elonazi's dickishness, stupidity, arrogance, and power to piss people off...
OMG that's funny. 🤣 🤣
Not too mention Tesla stock being his slush fund to ruin the world with his Nazi bullshit
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Looks like Elon took the “shut your stupid fucking mouth up” advice. Too bad the damage to his image is irreversible. Oh well. I’m afraid I’m all out of tiny violins as well.
Hey elon dont worry the right wing nut jobs are gonna start buying your teslas, ah right most of them are broke lol
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Needs to be in the negative worldwide.
Oh, i thought it was only down because Elon was off in Washington making America super awesome and not around to provide his brilliant leadership to Tesla
Well, at least his big robotaxi trial is going smoothl— uh, oh no.
Sad part is that they’re getting outcompeted by the Chinese EVs, not the European carmakers. The whole money will just fund CCP’s ambitions instead of US ambitions, neither of which is good for European future
Do you have numbers? Because Chinese cars are growing by triple digits because they were basically at 0, the numbers I saw recently VW, stellantis, Hyundai, BMW and Mercedes were in the top 10.
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I hate how much BYD pays people off. And they're suing people in China for "damaging their brand". I guess so did Tesla that one time, but only one of them runs slave camps (including outside of China).
And this is only one of their dubious “techniques” to lower the costs: https://www.heise.de/en/news/Presumably-Chinese-industrial-spies-stole-VW-data-on-e-drive-technology-9692416.html
Even European brands like Polestar belong to Chinese companies by a large share. But yes, German car manufacturers were asleep at the wheel and now they even lobby against the combustion engine ban because they would be left with near zero business.
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Ohhhh, nooohhhh...! How teeeeerrible...! I'm shóck!
Einer geht noch! 🎶