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If I had to guess, I would say Manga 100% and if I had to put a second place, it would be DENUVO (~~fucked~~) games.

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[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 49 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Why would manga piracy ever get hard, unless they stopped printing it on paper?

[–] Dsklnsadog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 11 months ago

Even so. You can always make a screencapture.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Traditional. I mean when was the last time you even saw an armed sloop, much less a galleon?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Personally, I'd have moved onto submarines. Just sneak up underneath a ship, cut a hole in the bottom and steal the containers without anyone ever noticing you. 😌

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's...

That's not how buoyancy works at all. 😅

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Are you suggesting they would be more worried about the containers being stolen than their boat sinking from the giant hole in the bottom?

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If this is a serious question... There is an infinitesimal chance of puncturing a vessel of that size while underneath it to plunder its hold's contents via the same hole — especially at the aforementioned tech level of the time.

Even if you could avoid detection in the process of completing the hole, anyone sent through to retrieve the loot would be crushed in transit and arrive aboard as some variation of a frothed bio jam — with or without the membrane that otherwise held them more or less together up until that point in their presumably harebrained life.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking about pirating goods with a submarine that can cut holes in the bottom of ships.

Of course I am 100% serious. /s

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Hey, the exodus from that other place brought sufficient halfwits with it to promote an SOP of clarification, etc , if only for their effect on the overall atmosphere here. Minor as it may be, it's a risk worth considering — and the ol' benefit of the doubt is a viable tool, per yoozj. 🫠

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I always appreciate actual facts, regardless of whether or not it goes with the joking around. As long as it's not presented in a dickish manner. 😊

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Wait, I’m confused. Assuming you were able to make the hole and seal some sort of connection a-la boarding in a spaceship in a sci-fi show, why would you be crushed in the process of boarding the ship?

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[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

I really think we're at a momentary historical nadir of maritime piracy. One of the big things that's going to happen as climate change fucks us is that satellite images are going to get less reliable.

Things like not-super-deep submarines are going to get easier, unmanned drones are already feasible at a municipal scale, and the technologies that have allowed statist navies to dominate the seas are already falling out of the meta in modern war.

I think the pirates've got this.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think as the atmosphere thickens and satellite images get more difficult, maritime piracy is gonna get a lot easier.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In general, perhaps, but in keeping with OP's implication of "harder to do" (from an individual standpoint), maritime piracy will become increasingly more challenging to engage in as (/if) it rises in prominence once again, culturally, as civilization falters in maintaining itself globally. 🤷🏼‍♂️ More people doing it, more people taking measures against it, more risk to one's person/lifespan, etc. I mean, by that metric on a larger scale: fucking everything's gonna get harder to do. 😅😶

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well yes, but relative to, like, baking a cake, i think that old fashioned maritime good-good is going to become much easier.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

On a scale of "baking a cake" and "ruffneck boarding party", how's your post-apoc future going? 🤣🤌🏼

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, pirates cant have cake? I call bullshit. How the fuck do you afford cocoa powder in 2035?

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't, but the guy two tents over did. I made sure to thank him like a good neighbor, before closing our bartering session with a large rock.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tents? Fancy. What corporation are you contracted with? Nestle? Blackwater? Walmart-yutani?

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fair point, but this tarp over the hole I defend as my own "home" isn't a far cry from what us poors were expected to bow & scrape for the privilege of before the Last Day changed everything everywhere for everyone. 🤷🏼‍♂️ It's just hope seeping into common parlance again, I guess.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I still have a few mg of hope, the good stuff, uncut neurotransmitter prodrug. If you really want to feel it. I also, and i know this is kind of black market, but i have half an inhaler of vasopresin. This is the good shit. I wouldn't be willing to part with it, but i got full stapled as a job requirement back in '31, so it's no good to me anymore.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I hear ya, choom. The whole rock's fucked and we're just the last few koyo to slide off it. Though, I used to know a scrappy olblood from way back. Not even ink on 'im, much less any shine. Last I heard, though: one of his homemade bunker betties glitched and fried him instead. It's almost worth a stroll up the hill, to see if he's still kickin', but I prefer my face attached as it is.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Wait, you're getting synthetic parts? Im getting 'efficiencies' and 'weight reductions' every few months. Had to give uo a kidney for my last gig, so they could 'be sure i wouldnt drink on the job'.

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[–] remon@ani.social 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I would say Manga 100%

Why do you think that?

I feel like ebooks will always be considerably easier to pirate than any video/audio files, just because they are so much smaller and can be hoarded (and thus seeded) much more easily.

[–] incognito08@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

DMCA taking down manga sites at a greater speed and with more ferocity than Anime, and even though Nyaa is great there are a lot of mangas that are not delivered in torrents and It's easier to find a torrent of a rare and unknown anime with at least 1 seed than of a manga.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not sure why you're being downvoted for expressing an opinion... an opinion based on current trends, at that. Mangadex just had a large chunk of work wiped out and many translations are only on Mangadex or translator websites with no torrent. This is a fact. Not hard to be worried that further takedowns will affect access to niche manga.

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There are a lot of sketchier sites out there. If you want to read something, there is somewhere out there hosting it. Mangadex was great in that it was really quite a cool public service but capitalism doesnt let us have shit things, much less nice things. It hurts too, because for every Shonen boy who tries really hard and makes Jump a ton of money, there are a hundred manga that are never translated officially and a thousand more never translated at all, and Ill be totally honest, I could not give less of a shit about Demon Slayer or JJK. Some titles only have english fan bases because of manga pirates.

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Fair point. Although the problem with those sketchier sites is they usually slap watermarks all over the images and scrape the first release of a chapter regardless of the translation group, which results in very spotty quality. There are absolutely series where certain translation groups or anonymous uploaders snipe it with terrible quality and it's not worth reading until the better group translates it, but the scraper websites don't update their chapters.

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago

It certainly is a problem to be sure. but it was like that before Mangadex.

[–] issas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Anything that requires an online service. Specifically, I'm talking about games that need a server to run and permanently shut down once it's offline -- these are becoming more common even among games with single player modes.

I don't see manga becoming harder, at all, even with all the crackdowns. Smaller files, and it's the type of stuff you can't reliably DRM. Denuvo is mostly a problem with companies like SEGA, honestly. Most publishers these days remove it after a while.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I am not so sure this type of pirate ship is gonna be competitive in a modern environment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pirate_ships

[–] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Netflix's short stint with FMV / chooe-your-own adventure games highlights a perfect case of difficult preservation - all the runtimes are closed source apps, all the data is streamed from a server, and all the logic is held on the server.

In theory (big caveat) with enough time, effort, and determination you could reverse engineer your way around even the worst Denuvo has to throw. For simple streamed content like images and sound you can always analog-hole your way around preserving content.

But for anything where the key thing you want to preserve, like logic, that depends entirely on a server somewhere existing, that's a problem.

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[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 13 points 11 months ago

It's always niche stuff. Music by non-headliners. Indie films.

I honestly think text/pdfs will actually stay easy. Text, even manga I suspect, is lightweight to host, so it's easier to keep online. By contrast a flac rip of a band that's never gone gold will be too heavy to host on a web page, but too niche to keep dedicated seeders on a torrent.

[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 12 points 11 months ago

Everything that is made with software can be unmade given time.

Denuvo is a temporary road block that had to go so hard to work it breaks games and compatibility.

[–] BlueRingedOctopus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago

Only games bcz of Denuvo

[–] Tregetour@lemdro.id 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Responses ITT have focused on legal and technical roadblocks. But if you can imagine a world where cultural production is even slightly less consolidated and corporate, where we start doing more of it for ourselves and our social circles, a cultural roadblock starts to emerge. How do I copy illicitly if the output is specialized and uniquely calibrated to the personal tastes of a hyper-small audience? Another way of asking the question might be: if mass markets don't mean much anymore and it's easy to make and propagate things ourselves, does piracy still exist? Or do we recognize that copying is a fundamental mechanism of culture, and there's no longer any point in encumbering it for the sake of the profit motive?

I think the remarks of Denuvo hardly mattering for Ubisoft titles because they're shitty games to start with, or jokes about Disney succeeding in making a film that will never get pirated (Snow White), start to get at this question

[–] Brutticus@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But isnt a world with more genuine art we make ourselves a good thing? I don't think anything of stealing from a corporation as stealing. Its reclaimation

If its someone I know who is putting in labor to make a living... like isnt that the point?

[–] Tregetour@lemdro.id 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes it is, that's what I'm getting at - independent output's share of total output increasing significantly

[–] Ilandar@lemmy.today 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

More broadly, I would say public P2P stuff - at least in its current forms. I'm not sure it can survive some of the generational shifts that have been occurring in society, since it relies so heavily on community and sharing and demands general technological literacy (not just touchscreen/smartphone/app literacy). Those that do actually have the literacy seem increasingly interested in the instant gratification direct download or torrent streaming stuff, to the detriment of traditional methods of P2P file sharing.

[–] Slaxis@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That is absolutely the trend I’m seeing with younger people. I work hard to curate and maintain a high quality media library, but they’re happy to stream something in low quality from a sketchy site and move on.

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