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[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 1 points 1 hour ago

The US can use federal highways to rapidly move soldiers.

[The National Highway System] NHS consists of five parts...

...The fourth component is major Strategic Highway Corridor Network connectors. They consist of more than 3,000 km of roads linking major military installations and other defense-related facilities to the STRAHNET corridors.

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20141216112008/http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/publicroads/96spring/p96sp2.cfm

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Not wanting to critizise, but is there a breakdown of those numbers by ton/kilometers and people/kilometers?

If roads transported 30 times more people and goods than trains, these numbers would basically OK.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

No. This is what determines what goes where. How many miles there are. Where those miles go. How many goods get moved on them.

Also, how much of that money did amtrak make back?

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Amtrak relies on other companies to run their trains, how much do they spend on infrastructure? Probably not as much as for roads, but the comparison isn't great.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't the infrastructure mainly for industry, not people transport?

[–] vorpuni@jlai.lu 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They’re the same tracks in most places as far as I know.

Prioritized for freight, yes.

[–] myrmidex@lemmy.nogods.be 14 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Lol! Rail servives in my little shitstain country of Belgium get 3.2B € a year.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 15 points 11 hours ago

Language! We don't say the B word without a trigger warning.

It's not considered the rudest word in the universe for no reason.

[–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And it still manages to suck anyways!

[–] myrmidex@lemmy.nogods.be 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I hear that a lot, but as a regular train commuter, I have very few complaints.

[–] Mim@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It isn't the DB so it can't be that bad.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The only time the S-Bahn shows up on time, is when you are late.

[–] Mim@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

Sadly, that's not limited to the S-Bahn only.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

About to lose the OKC/Dallas route.

To take Amtrak anywhere else, I have to ride a bus to Kansas.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 31 points 22 hours ago

My understanding is that the train system and automotive sector are kind of opposite.

For automotive, the government does the roads and private industry does the vehicles.

Conversely, the rails are largely private industry excluding Amtrak, and Amtrak is mostly responsible for the trains with their government granted monopoly on passenger rail.

It's part of what really limits passenger rail, the companies that own the rail mostly want to rail from places like ports, and negligible value for rail between population centers. Also Amtrak has to suck it up if a rail is busy (wasnt supposed to be the case, but cargo operators were allowed to make trains too long to fit on bypass spurs so they can't get out of the way like they were legally required to).

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Not only are the proportions really misguided, but the thing is even the road funding is too low. We’re way behind in infrastructure, and yes we still need to be able to get around with personal vehicles

[–] magiccupcake@lemmy.world 45 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Ironically the reason we can't keep up with car infrastructure is because there's too much of it.

It much more costly to maintain, especially when scaling to more lanes.

Reducing space given to cars and giving more to bikes/buses/trains would make it easier to upkeep our current roads.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago

Just saw the video from "Not Just Bikes" a few days ago on this exact topic.

The biggest middle finger is that everyone of the people behind these projects knew it would become too expensive to maintain but they all decided it wasn't their problem to solve cause by then they would be long since retired from their position by the time it became a relevant issue.

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Not only that but suburban areas are actually built using loans that can't be paid back bc suburban areas produce so little taxes they aren't self sustaining

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That's the thing that gets me about the "but I want to live in a single-family house, not an apartment" people: it's like, sure, that'd be fine if you were willing to actually pay for the true cost of it instead of forcing society to subsidize your lifestyle!

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

But then they cant just afford it with a single working adult in the family like that was ever long term viable instead of a short period of specifically american history that was never gonna last because that's just not possible without either completely rolling over the environment or other countries. The horror!

Not that there aren't plenty of issues with the cost and time requirement of having a family, but my god this whining like life isnt worth living if you can't buy a single family home is annoying me.

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it would have included state/local would that make the relative distance bigger or smaller?

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 19 hours ago