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This was not inevitable. This is a war Israel chose. It could have been prevented. Diplomatic talks were ongoing when the bombers took off for Iran. Israel’s continuing, illegal, unjustified airstrikes are unlikely to achieve their stated aim – permanently ending Tehran’s presumed efforts to build nuclear weapons – and may accelerate it. They must stop now. Likewise, Iran must halt its retaliation immediately and drop its escalatory threats to attack US and UK bases.

This conflict is not limited, as was the case last year, to tit-for-tat exchanges and “precision strikes” on a narrow range of military targets. It’s reached a wholly different level. Potentially nothing is off the table. Civilians are being killed on both sides. Leaders are targets. The rhetoric is out of control. With Israel fighting on several fronts, and Iran’s battered regime backed against a wall, the Middle East is closer than ever to a disastrous conflagration.

Reasons can always be found to go to war. The roots of major conflicts often reach back decades – and this is true of the Israel-Iran vendetta, which dates to the 1979 Islamic revolution. The so-called “shadow war” between the two intensified in recent years. Yet all-out conflict had been avoided, until now. So who is principally to blame for this sudden, unprecedented explosion?

Answer: three angry old men whose behaviour raises serious doubts about their judgment, common sense, motives and even their sanity.

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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 10 points 4 hours ago

Ah yes, blame all three even though its been clearly israel and Netanyahu who have been beating the war drums for 30+ years. Israel has been talking about Iran developing a nuke for 30 years and saying that "its around the corner". Israel did the same with Iraq btw and dragged the US to war.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Peak liberal both sidesism. Desperately clinging to the illusion that USA good, Iran bad. This is a big part of why we have genocide against palestinians and trump in office.

[–] PlagueShip@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

The thing is, there are people who need to be killed, and we just can't agree on who. And the people who say no one are the worst of all. Let's make some progress in this world.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 20 points 12 hours ago

False equivalencies.

[–] Crankenstein@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago

The Zygon Inversion - A Transcript of The Doctor's Speech [edited for brevity]

The Doctor: You just want cruelty to beget cruelty. You're not superior to people who were cruel to you. You're just a whole bunch of new cruel people. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to some other people, who'll end up being cruel to you. The only way anyone can live in peace is if they're prepared to forgive. Why don't you break the cycle?

Bonnie: Why should we?

The Doctor: What is it that you actually want?

Bonnie: War.

The Doctor: Ah. And when this war is over, when -- when you have the homeland free from humans, what do you think it's going to be like? Do you know? Have you thought about it? Have you given it any consideration? Because you're very close to getting what you want. What's it going to be like? Paint me a picture. Are you going to live in houses? Do you want people to go to work? What'll be holidays? Oh! Will there be music? Do you think people will be allowed to play violins? Who will make the violins? Well? Oh, You don't actually know, do you? Because, just like every other tantruming child in history, Bonnie, you don't actually know what you want. So, let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've killed all the bad guys, and it's all perfect and just and fair, when you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers. How are you going to protect your glorious revolution from the next one?

. . .

The Doctor: This is a scale model of war. Every war ever fought right there in front of you. Because it's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken! How many lives shattered! How much blood will spill until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning -- sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just -- I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It's just a fancy word for changing your mind.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 29 points 16 hours ago

damn they just pretend the UK is not the country that fuel Jets over Iraq to facilitate the bombing. Or it is not the UK base in Cyprus and vessels that provide a command center and communication tool to facilitate the mission.

If you want to attack Iran and accelerate to a wwiii don't shy from telling the truth about your involvement, we know it, you know it ...

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 74 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Don't forget Putin...

Fuck thes old, power-hungry war-mongering pieces of excrement. Their death will be celebrated by millions.

Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

Putin is by far the worst one.

Neither Netanyahu nor Khamenei have the capacity for war the way the other 2 have.

And Putin already has achieved what Trump wants to achieve: being a dictator with full control of the state.

Oh how much the world would improve if all 4 of them suddenly get a bullet between the eyes.

[–] shroomato@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

They would immediately get replaced with someone just as bad if not worse. The world has an endless supply of power hungry warmongering assholes.

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

How is Putin worse than Netanyahu? Just compare the children death toll in Palestine vs. Ukraine.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 15 points 11 hours ago

Don't mistake Ukraine's ability for self-defense as Putin's mercy.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 14 points 20 hours ago

Please put an age restriction on politicians, it would solev sooo much nonsense.

Yeah, people who are young enough to actually have to worry about the future.

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[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 26 points 21 hours ago (8 children)
[–] Saleh@feddit.org 12 points 13 hours ago (15 children)

So far also Iran only matched target groups after Israel targeted them first. E.g. Israel strikes MoD offices in Tehran -> Iran strikes back at the MoD in Tel Aviv. Israels strikes Iranian gas and electrical infrastructure -> Iran strikes back at Israeli Gas and electrical infrastructure.

Iran doesn't want this war and keeps reiterating to go back to diplomacy, however the US and multiple G7 countries, especially UK, France and Germany are rattling the sabres more, defending Israels onslaught while condemning Irans responses. These countries claiming they would seek a diplomatic solution makes for rather cynical lies when they cover the attacker and condemn the defender.

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[–] colonelsharki@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Khamenei maybe an angry old man considering his country is facing an existential threat but Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal and Trump is a rapist with nefarious ties to the notorious Epstein

[–] KumaSudosa@feddit.dk 5 points 12 hours ago (10 children)

Stop pretending like Khamenei isn't a criminal. He's not just an angry old man because they're "facing an existential threat" he's a fuckwad through and through and no Iranian would shed a tear if he was shelled. Israel certainly started this iteration of the conflict but Khamenei and the regime has a rap sheet far longer than Trump's.

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[–] FreeBird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 day ago (17 children)

My Iranian ass spending minutes to get my VPN working so I can access lemmy and watch people whitewash the man responsible for all my misery only to shit on Netanyahu and Trump:

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