Many of these people in US concentration camps are catholic. The thing that's crazy is how many insane catholics like JD Vance are cheering this on.
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There are a lot of people who wear the label catholic because they always have, not because they identify with other catholics or believe that the pope is the earthly voice of god.
JD Vance is a fascist white supremacist who happens to be catholic. The fascism and white supremacy being more important to him than the catholicism...
Vance is part of a specific far right hyperpolitical faction of Catholics that he adopted via his patron Thiel.
He's as Catholic as Trump is born-again evangelical. They are just pandering
If the catholic church somehow turns into a force for good this century that would be awesome. Its weird to think they might be the adults in the room in a lot of cases.
The church is large and complex and run by many different people. It has been a force for good and evil all along.
The catholic church has been a considerable "force for good" for centuries. Whether or not the bad they do outweighs that is a question of how much value you assign to the bad things they do and how much credit you give them for good intentions.
Sure, they're anti-abortion and implicitly sexist, but they're also pro-mercy, anti-war, anti-death-penalty, and possibly the most pro-science of all theistic churches. Bishops in the USA are obnoxious right-wing partisans, but in other countries they're firmly in the local center or on the bleeding edge of the local left. (There's a reason why the first American-born pop wasn't a working priest in the USA.)
I have no idea what you’re basing this comment on.
The sins of the catholic church are many and global and as large and unforgivable as their wealth and reach and history:
From the very beginning they were antithetical to plurality - soon as they got power first order of business was the destruction of classical Hellenistic learning centres.
Then crusades, inquisitions, colonialism and forced conversions, complicit in slavery, the witch trials, and interference with politics all over the world.
Opposition to human rights, anti-science (dark ages anyone), support for dictatorships, residential school systems targeting indigenous children, and the ongoing sexual abuse crisis with institutional cover-ups.
And their worst crime of the modern era: their response to the AIDS crisis in the 1980s.
Strict opposition to condom use (in fact actively lobbied against condom distribution and sex education) even as HIV/AIDS spread globally - particularly devastating in heavily Catholic regions like sub-Saharan Africa, the Philippines, and Latin America where the Church wielded significant influence over public health policy (as they still do). Millions of infections and deaths directly attributed to this crime against humanity.
But yes, “force for good”.
I'm basing it on an understand of history and nuance.
The roman catholic church is at least sixteen centuries old. I dare you to name any human organization of which endured for over a millennium and did not partake in something odious to modern sensibilities.
I could probably go point-for-point with a rebuttal to each bad things you noted, but the only one that really merits rebuttal is "dark ages". The term is out-of-vouge in modern scholarship largely because it was essentially an anti-theistic smear from the start; the roman catholic church's obsessive need to keep books and insist that the world was made by a rational intelligence laid the fundamental foundation for the renaissance, and the era between the fall of Rome and the enlightenment was far more advanced than the term you used implies.
Like I said, whether the roman catholic church is a net-good in 2025 is entirely based on how you weight the value of both the good and bad things they do. You're free to assign them an arbitrarily high negative value because you have religious differences with them if you like, but pretending that they've never done anything good and aren't doing anything good today is a position of willful ignorance.
Come to think of it, I doubt you can find a single organization that was even a century old which doesn't have at least one black mark against them.
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Its most likely the bias I have from only knowing Americas Catholicism then. Thanks for the info!
We haven't studied rhe same History.
Yeah and if prayer worked we wouldn't need hospitals.
What exactly is your take here lmao. The headline says nothing about prayer. It calls for actual physical action that is likely to positively impact outcomes for at least some immigrants. I personally consider this to be a huge net good, as it speaks respect and love for immigrants with a voice that a not-insignificant number of conservatives are willing to hear from. Did you just see the word "catholic" and wanna dunk on Christians?
That's the point. We're doing the heavy lifting, why do we need an invisible sky Santa? And why now? Kinda sucks if you were born 200 years ago, no? Was I supposed to pray for leeches back then? There is no god.
Time to put the security blanket away.
Many hospitals are also run by the church. Catholics believe in science - all recent popes say evolution is fact.
Catholics believe in some science. Their stances on abortion for instance are extremely barbaric.
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I honestly can't see the point you're trying to make.
It's not 2014 anymore
yeah, right. not like the pope knows anything about religion. /s
It's literally in their Bible... This should just be standard. Not special.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don't read it.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don’t read it.
People only read what they want to take out of anything. Scientific reports, government policies, laws, philosophical essays, books, etc.
Saw it happen all the time. I use to work at the court house that was open to serve the public. We had at least 2 different signs that said "We are not City Hall. We do not do driver's license, birth certificates, passports, etc.." Without fail, people would walk in and still ask about City Hall Services. People looked at the sign and saw Driver's License, assumed that's what we did.
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This is where we find out which faith is stronger, organized religion or the MAGA cult.
None of them have faith, religion has been used to prior up racist, sexist ideas for over a century in the US. They left faith long ago, it's just a tool for their hate.
The MAGA nuts are Christian nationalist protestants. They think the Pope is the antichrist (literally many of them do).
The irony being that Trump fits the description of the of anti-Christ eerily well
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Jesus’ family were supposedly immigrants and asylum seekers. Priests should step up. So should real christians.
Another argument for renaming the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to "No True Christian" to make it more self-explanatory.
I know that the name of the fallacy comes from an example, but I don't think I've ever heard a scotsman invoke "No True Scotsman". I've heard countless Americans invoke it though, and one side does it far more than the other.
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