Why did they include someone's opinion about environmental impacts without a fact check? I hope she uses ethically sourced oil.
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I’m not shying away, they’re just too expensive
That’s because a brand new one is way too expensive for most people, and a used one is still expensive and could have half the range left in the batteries, you have no idea.
We need an EV mini wagon, like mid-80s Nissan Maxima wagon sized, and battery tech needs to get cheaper.
Man I would love that! Can we get an EV sports car too? FRS, Z car, Miata... Anything like that.
Restoring some fuel economy (increasing range) to a used ICE car can be as simple as replacing spark plugs and cleaning fuel injectors. Even if you're not into doing that work yourself, that's not prohibitively expensive.
Doing the same for an EV entails replacing the entire EV battery, which is prohibitively expensive, and which a shadetree mechanic would be hard-pressed to do themselves.
... and also an engine rebuild with new piston rings and possibly even cams and lifters if the old ones have worn down enough. When a ICE car drinks oil like its gas, there's things you have to do.
I take your point on individual maintenance, but that can also apply to EVs. But statistics show that in general ICE cars degrade faster than EVs
All the car manufacturers want to build giant boats now, as big as can possibly fit on the road and in parking spaces, because of their addiction to profit margins.
Yes, somehow the American car buyer has been bamboozled into thinking that a bigger car is "luxury" and a smaller car is somehow "lower end," so automakers price their larger cars higher even though the physical size has very little to do with the actual manufacturing cost.
Americans have almost always equated bigger with better. Look at cars back in early 70s. I drove a 73' Impala, that thing was huge, even by today's standards
Or more and more Americans are gigantic and want bigger interior space. I did not fit comfortably in a Mach E.
You are skeptical about EVs because you’re afraid of change.
I am skeptical about EVs because modern cars, regardless of propulsion type, are pervasively networked and festooned with sensors, and generally have live connections to servers somewhere, sending who knows what to who knows where (because it’s all proprietary, and can’t be easily explored outside of reverse engineering).
We are not the same.
Good point though I'm down for more evs.
Nailed it.
I don't want to buy a multi-ten thousand dollar tablet that I climb inside and it spies on me. Take the dumb bullshit out, give me a simple interface with mostly physical buttons.
A simple electric car with buttons would be so good!
Even if we made enough to buy them, the infrastructure is still not great to support the people who need them most. Live in an apartment? Maybe you're lucky enough to have chargers nearby but for millions of Americans they can't charge at home. If I have to go somewhere to charge that adds time to my commute either to work or on the way home. If I'm already spending an hour or more on the road each day just in commute time that 15 minute charge every other day or what have you adds up.
I have a few friends with EVs who live in apartments. Some people can charge at work or while shopping. When nothing lines up, sitting at a supercharger once every few weeks isn't terrible.
Depends on their lifestyle a whole lot. That's the point. If you're single with no kids? Doesn't seem like spending 20 minutes a week to charge is a lot. If your commute is about 20 minutes each way? That may be fairly reasonable. My husband drives 71 miles each way per day 5 days a week. He can't charge at work and there are no chargers in the area. Our apartment complex doesn't have chargers. The closest ones are a 15-20 minute drive away and always packed. This is what I mean when I say it's doable for some but not for all or even a majority.
Same. I would love an electric vehicle, but I don’t see how that could possibly work out with my commute and no charger options at home or at work.
Honestly, as a person who just bought an EV (used 2017 Model S, battery warranty expires Dec. 2026) it's more comfortable in a million ways, and at times it is cheaper (level 2 charging, DCFC on superchargers are sometimes more expensive than gas, 0.39c per kwh versus $3.28/gal is pretty close according to tessie), but without hone or work charging, might as well get a plugin hybrid. I lose so much time waiting at superchargers. Nonetheless, i could never see myself returning to full gas.
Comfortable compared to what? That's subjective. So unless you've got some kind of consumer data to back up what most people want and how they feel about it, I'm just gonna say that's not super helpful. Especially when considering the other problems that I have with new cars altogether.
Naturally it's subjective, but i compare it to driving my Uncle's Cadillac, but if you're so concerned, just watch a quick video on how to use the car and rent a Tesla or something for a day and see how it goes, make up your mind for itself. Im not here to be an evangelist. Im just speaking my mind.if you don't like it, then that's on you, choose what you want
I have driven almost every Tesla and literally every single Ford electric and hybrid vehicle they have made. My brother works for a dealership. There's lots of things I don't like about electric cars full stop but a fair few of those things aren't unique to just the electric car market up to and including the amount of tech in all new cars which I am very much against. I have made up my mind for myself.
If you meant for the average consumer to make up their mind for themselves, I'm definitely with you on that. But I don't understand why the "it works for me crowd" don't want to admit that it may not work for everyone or even the majority. And that's what I'm responding to. It's not just you. There are a lot of people who don't want to listen to anyone who says there are downsides that make it untenable for them.
Aren't you just venting on me then? Because please reread my initial post beyond the word comfort, where I literally voice my complaints on my car and mention when one should choose a plug-in hybrid vehicle, but I still love my car. How i complained that electricity at superchargers is almost the same as my previous gas costs. So please calm down and drink some water or something sir. I literally just spoke my experiences, nothing more, and am genuinely uninterested in long arguments where the client has implicitly made up their mind already. Im a random dude in Florida who drives for a living. Not a car salesman.
That commute should be illegal.
I move every time I have more than a 15 minute commute. Spending that much time driving is seriously mind-boggling.
You get used to it. I was the same before i became a field tech. Now, i could casually drive from Naples to Miami (100+ miles one way) and back without a second thought if i wanted something
More people need to feel comfortable asking for chargers in their apartments' meetings. As one lady was scared of being chewed out for supporting new technology.
I'm not personally interested in owning a Tesla, and none of the other EVs I know of really appeal to me, at least not at the prices I've seen them at. Last year we got my wife a Rav4 hybrid. It's been a great car, we're really happy with it.
I have no idea why someone downvoted you. I don't align exactly with your opinion, but your opinion is valid and you insulted nobody by giving it. Upvote to restore sanity.
In the US, EVs are still in the upper high end of car prices.
Most are quite firmly mid range. $40K to $100K.
My man, a mid range car should be priced at like 20-30k Canadian, not 40k us which is like 55k canadian
People seem to think "mid range" means "affordable to the average person".
Look at the range of prices for new vehicles. The middle is very expensive.
How many new cars are available in Canada for 10-20k?
The answer is only two.
Your "mid range", is really the floor for new cars.
I make $50k a year. Most Americans make less than I do. Mid range or not, that's not in reach for most people.
Nonsense. If you bring home more than $350 per week, then you can get up to $30,000 in credit for only one dime down.
It's a crime to pay more than a dime.
And now I have a new monthly payment, which depending on where I get it can be rather tough depending on a variety of factors. I'm not a banker, I can't weigh in too intelligently on this part, but I have had a car payment before and been laid off. That monthly payment ate through my savings damn fast while I was looking for a job. Lesson learned, I'm not inclined to buy anything with a loan any time soon. I just don't trust it
Also true
Well I don't want every single company in the world to have access to every bit of info.
And I don't own a house and there aren't enough chargers around.
I work two jobs/minimum 90 hours a week already, I don't have the time or inclination to waste what little free time I do have sitting 30 minutes from home in my car waiting for it to charge for an hour
Well, considering that the price of the one that meets my minimum specs is 40k, yeah, that checks out.
I'm actually debating about if I save up for 40k on a car, why not go 65k and get a BMW idrive instead y'know
I wont buy an ev until they stop being mobile spying devices, especially considering the price tag. Same with any new/more efficient car. If that never happens, I just won’t ever have one. That’s the way it has to be because I am not a product, especially if I’m paying thousands of dollars. If it’s free, I’ll think about it.
I live somewhere that I can’t really survive without a car, but I’ve reduced my driving substantially (once a week now at most) I’d like to get an e-bike, but can’t really justify the spend at the moment.
I've got bad news for you, it's not just EVs.
Uh, yeah I know, I mentioned that in the comment you replied to.
Used is also a great option. Sure, you’re probably not going to find a deal on an electric, but from an ecological and cost perspective, using a piece of equipment that already exists is more environmentally friendly by a long shot than buying something new. I’ll be driving my 1.8t mk 4 Jetta into the ground, thank you very much (and then I will fix it, as I am the warranty at this point).
Used doesn’t fix the spying problem, only helps with the price. And that’s not even a guarantee anymore. So you aren’t wrong, but it doesn’t help the issue I specifically have with them (which I have with all newer cars).
My current car is 2012 civic coupe, and if I don’t drive it much, it’s perfectly fine for what I use it for without upgrading, other than that it’s starting to need bigger work more frequently, and not stuff I know how to do. Decent mileage and all, but fully ice. I’d like to upgrade to electric or at least hybrid, but they all have the same spying problem. So I just cut driving as much as I can. I live in a rural town, closest grocery store is half an hour away by highway, so zero driving isn’t an option, unfortunately.
I can guarantee you that my 2003 VW has literally zero wireless connectivity. It doesn’t communicate with anyone but me and my mechanic, and I am my own mechanic.
What Biden push? The one where he slaps 100% tariffs on the cheapest EVs in the world so that American companies can continue charging an exorbitant premium for EVs? Sorry, the tax credit which the car companies have jacked prices up far beyond isn't enough in this scenario.
called no one makes enough to buy one and our leaders refuse to make companies pay living wages so we could afford one
plus the electric vehicle infrastructure is not government run and not robust enough to handle a full transition