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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I'm actually pretty dang hopeful right now. The right has spent so much time and effort focused around Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.

Now we have a new candidate starting from zero with many people, vs trump which is obviously very well known. In short I'm trying to say we have the element of surprise, the benefit of the unknown. They have to convince moderates that this new candidate is still somehow worse than trump, and these aren't the hard right people, these are the undecided (somehow) and centered voters.

Far right voters will always back trump, but the indecisive voters and moderate Republicans who don't like trump but fell for the years of propaganda against Biden have been wanting anyone who is better than Biden but not trump. Same with more centered Democrats, not that they wanted to vote for trump but Biden was not a great candidate for them either.

The rights whole plan was "Joe is so much worse than trump!" and they had 16 years of content to pull on. They can't do that again with a new candidate. People say they handed the election to Republicans. I think it's the opposite. I think Republicans demanding Joe drop out when anti Joe was their only message may have just accidentally handed the election to Democrats.

If the Dems come out strong on this I think it could shake up the whole election. I see people online saying doom and gloom, I strongly disagree, I think this is a huge rallying cry.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

Joe being old and tired, and now that is all dead in the water.

Nope. Now it's trump who's old and tired. Kamala needs to go after trump and his crime family like she would other criminals and prosecute them in the press. She is a former prosecutor, after all.

[–] dragonfly4933@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was very against Biden dropping out, but i think this is a pretty good point. I think it is still very risky for her to run due to race and sex discrimination, but it might not be a predetermined loss at least.

I think that's the invigorating thing as a Democrat. I was feeling beat down and tired, we knew what the outcome was more or less, a razer thin margin on either side. This completely changes that equation, and it means both sides will have to really amp up their game. Democrats just proved they're willing to throw the hail Mary and that makes me really excited!

[–] Zachariah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

… Now it's trump who's old and tired …

So it’s his turn to drop out of the race?

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, all their shooting against Biden will now come back to haunt them. It's not like Trump isn't a senile old man. He's just senile in different ways.

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[–] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree completely. I think the strong move for Harris will be to focus her campaign around abortion rights and promise to fight for federal laws guaranteeing the right to an abortion, even to the point of openly defying the Supreme Court if they reject the law. She also needs to focus on court reform, push for a strict code of conduct to be enforced against the supreme court, and either impeach/replace Alito and Thomas or (if there aren't enough votes for that) eliminate the fillibuster to pack the courts with only a simple Senate majority.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I am hesitant about is right now the best time for a black woman president, are the people ready for it, but the way you framed it put it well. A strong eloquent black woman who is ready to put women's rights at the forefront where her opponent is actively trying to take away those rights may work extremely well.

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe now's the best time to mix things up. This could be the last election before the fall of the democracy, why not go all out? I'm actually really excited for this move, and despite a little uncertainty at first I'm fully onboard.

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I predict it brings the chance of a second Biden term to zero

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm a LAW AND ORDER REPUBLICAN and I'm going to vote for the CONVICTED FELON over the COP!

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Holy shit I match this caricature, and it changed my mind!

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

phony trial by the crooked liberals was a political hit job

It's really easy for them to dismiss that. Once you've dismissed objective truth and logic, nothing stands in your way.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure, but I think it makes it very unlikely he'll become president.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Only time will tell.

[–] viralJ@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if Biden's stepping down was partly influenced by the assassination attempt. If he hadn't, the most prominent symbol of this election would still be that image of Trump screaming "fight" while pumping his fist against the background of the American flag. But if someone from a deserted island opened a news website today for the first time, they wouldn't even know there was an assassination attempt.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

That's an interesting. I would put my money on him catching covid being the deciding factor.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A ton of states are going to fight to keep Kamala Harris off the ballot.

[–] DevCat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How? Biden wasn't the official candidate yet.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A lot of states have laws that don't conform to the national primary process. For instance, Ohio has a law on the books that says the official nomination has to occur by a certain date which is before the second major party convention.

It is important to know that elections are technically run at the state level with some federal oversight.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd like to think that the DNC considered all of that before having Joe withdraw.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago

It was considered. They were going to nominate Biden early to be ahead of this date. I don't think that's happening anymore.

It's also important to know that (IIRC) currently things have been put in place in Ohio for this not to be an issue, but that could change if enough Ohio politicians want it to.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure that him giving up is the best chance he has at success.

Ironic right?

[–] essell@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

As an Alanis Morisette song.

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[–] breckenedge@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Gotta imagine there are a few more surprises in store for the convention.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems good, man. Basically that makes the election:

Decision 2024: Cop vs Felon

Who will America choose?

[–] sunzu@kbin.run 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't think DNC leadership appreciates the current public sentiment against law enforcement in the country. Based on her career, her would be base are the moutb breezers simping for trump

For any self respecting liberal, you just have to ignore her job. There is no good way to spin it besides, she knows how to run a shop of prosecutors lol never, just don't fucking mention it.

Bizarro fucking time line tho jfc

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know we sometimes feel like the majority here on the fediverse, but we have to remember that most democrats don’t feel the same way about cops that the “far” left does. Most democrats are just capitalist liberals that enjoy the status quo and maybe some slightly progressive policies.

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[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

More threads mentioning Joe Biden in the title than Trump.

[–] AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I have a quick question as someone not from the US. What is the general opinion that people have of Kamala Harris? Do people voting Democrat have an overall positive impression of her? Or are there people who could be disappointed with the choice?

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have heard literally 0 news about her for this entire presidency. She's probably fine. Definitely better than Trump, so, ya know. Voting time

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I always thought this was a negative - she squandered the opportunity to stand out - but yoypire probably right

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Left left looks at her time as Attornry General of California and sees her as corrupt and responsible for high incarceration rates among other general issues with the overall Democratic party platform.

libLeft sees her as solid dem if not their new prophet, though not like the right worships trump.

Center will probably see her similar to a batman police commisioner. Generally assumed good and unencumbered politically.

Right will only see gender and skin color, and not in a good way.

Vanilla to anyone not fitting neatly in those categories.

Her not being seen for the last few years is good for dems as there's nothing for the Republicans to latch onto beyond racism and mysogyny. They don't have the long developed hatred that they have for Hillary.

Realistically it's the least divisive choice the dems could make.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm in Trump country so I am relaying their opinions not my own. "Whore who slept her way to the top", "lier that is letting the border crisis happen", " hypocritic that ruined young peoples lives over pot even though she smoked it too".

Otherwise nothing burger, and besides the border debate all of the personal attacks are honestly minor compared to how Trump supporter view Trump out here (you know "he's not a good man but ...").

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[–] Azal@pawb.social 4 points 1 year ago

From the US and I pay a lot of attention to politics.

Her past is she was a bulldog in the courtroom, absolutely a firebrand and ready to take on anyone. By making her VP, her job was mostly to not make the administration look bad, which is a tough job for a firebrand so for years it felt like she was put in the back and kept quiet.

Roe v Wade decision happened, making the abortion argument on the side of the Republicans getting what they wanted, Biden is a Catholic and male so completely uncomfortable using the fact that abortion is the winning ticket item for the Dems so Harris has been beating that drum hard and getting out. GRANTED the media has been focusing on "Biden too old!" (Legit had to learn a Biden policy from BBC because American news isn't going to talk about that) so she's still feeling a relative unknown to the country at large.

There are people calling for wanting the DNC to do a vote, but we're past that marker, there's people disappointed, and then there's a lot of people excited. Right now this election is going to shape up to be more "interesting" than Bush v Gore or Trump v Hillary.

[–] residentmarchant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

She's generally average from what I've heard amongst my friends. Not a slam dunk but not stumbling over herself. I think she'll really have to prove herself and release a strong platform to sway any voters. The good news is that a decent number of people are going to vote for her just because she's not Trump.

I suspect the real problem for some Americans will be a woman as president...which is just about how screwed America is right now.

Pretty notably she doesn't have any big skeletons in her closet (that I know of at least) that Republicans can latch on to and create drama over.

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[–] knightly@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago

Politically? The general public sees Kamala Harris as a nothingburger. She's practically a blank slate despite spending the last four years as VP. Nobody's going to be disappointed because the average person only knows her as a background character.

It's the best option the Dems have got, but we'll see how much they want to win when they announce the VP candidate nomination.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

I’d say largely neutral. Progressives don’t love her because she was a prosecutor. She has a bit of a reputation for opportunism and lacks charisma but pretty standard democrat overall.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Harris isn't burdened with some responsibility for the Gaza genocide. That will help with younger voters who otherwise would have abstained. Things feel more positive from where I sit.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

unburdened by what has been, you say

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