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I think the post in itself is informational, many of the comments are not.

Post stays, comments get locked.

Y'all should actually read the post. They're clear that they don't want to do this but fear extreme repression by the German government, and they even listed examples of what exactly they're trying to avoid. I'm no Israel apologist, but I'm convinced.

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

I get their concerns but we shouldn't be bullied into silence. The Israeli government is a piece of shit and we should all be allowed to say that until they've proven otherwise.

Germany looking 80 years in the past like "let's do that again."

Israel is NOT a Jewish state, it's a Neo-Nazi regime. If I wanted to kill as many jews as possible, I'd convince them that they "belong" in a tiny country surrounded by neighbours who want to destroy them.

Gonna mention that !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com has been set up as an alternative for Europe-centric discussions

The title of this post is sensationalized, click-baitey, and factually incorrect according to the posted text. It's as if OP either didn't read the text they copy/pasted or they are trying to intentionally stir up shit...

Ezpz. Just added feddit.org to my instance block. Freedom of the fediverse at work.

I hadn't noticed how pro-cop some feddit.org users are but a cursory glance at people taking police reporting at face value and then openly defending cops punching people in the face with "it's out of context" reasoning is just surreal.

It reeks to me of living in a bubble your whole life and never having experienced police repression - so your only response is "it can't be the police, they've never done anything against me, it must be the protestors that are wrong"

Usually I'm one that hates leftist infighting but defacto trying to suppress a genocide because the "law says so" is rather weak. Still I totally understand wanting to protect yourself from repression but surely if you cared about both justice and your well being you would just hand over the community to someone else? Unless of course you actually agree with the "law"...

germany making laws suppressing speech and criminalising free thought? never seen that before

It is because their admins are in Germany and they fear the extreme repercussion that the German State has done recently. Did you even read the post you pasted? Are are you intentionally trying to stir up drama?

Not everyone lives in safety these days. Fascism has made it hard to do things like host a volunteer run online forum safely. There are cases where the heavily armed anti-terrorism unit SEK search peoples houses at gun point for this. Do you think online moderators should be required to catch a bullet for your posts?

It amuses me that expressing understanding with the retaliation is forbidden. I definitely understand why a militant extremist group has arisen after decades of oppression and genocide.

Like, how do you negotiate your way out of that peacefully? Where in history has oppression on that level been defeated through diplomacy?

I seem to have forgotten the part where the allies defeated Nazi Germany by asking nicely. Surely no war was fought for recognising black people as humans in the U.S.

Perhaps Ukraine should put down their weapons and ask Russia to pretty please stop invading their country and killing their people.

Ugh.

Hand over control of the instance to someone else or shut it down completely.

Just FYI. There’s truth to this, but this post headline is very clickbait.

You’re still allowed to do things like call out the genocide, call the Israeli government facist etc.

What you can’t do is stuff like call for a violent overthrow of the state of Israel.

(Which I disagree with because since the status quo is violence I think violence is justified in overturning it)

But anyways. It’s less extreme than the headline suggests.

And also it’s in an effort to comply with German laws. (Which again, I disagree with, but I’m not the one at risk of getting raided here so yeah).

~~Not being able to criticize leaders that the International Criminal Court has issued arrest warrants against is bonkers and simple censorship.~~

EDIT: After reading the official announcement thoroughly, I have to say the title seems... wrong? There are very specific things that are not allowed, some of which I can agree with. Others however, I do not.

Calls to end Zionism

This one is egregious. I mean come on.

This kind of seems... reasonable? Like, they have and convey a compelling legal reason for needing to do this. There's plenty of other Lemmy instances where these opinions and statements can be freely expressed. Further, they're explicitly allowing discourse that conveys similar sentiment but doesn't go against German law.

I guess my question is, what's the objection here?

Can we, as users, prevent our own posts and comments from federating to a given server?

They're not banning me for my accusations of genocide; I'm Banning Them

I bet they think they're just "following orders" like their forefathers...

I got banned from that community for saying zionism is antisemitic. The mods called it "rage bait".

I was actually testing whether the mods are zionists, and since they were enraged by my post, I think they are.

Despite all the culture of remembrance, despite all the memorials and despite all the history lessons, the general public is simply not aware of how efficiently, ruthlessly and industrially the Nazis carried out the Holocaust.

At its peak, in Operation Reinhard, from April to November 1942, 2.5 million Jews were murdered. 10,000 every day. In specially built camps to which people were transported by rail and sent directly to the gas chambers, where there was practically no chance of survival. In Majdanek, over 18,000 people were murdered in 9 hours. By 1945, two thirds of European Jews had been murdered and in the end only the advance of the Allies prevented the rest from being murdered as well.

This is the much-vaunted singularity of the Holocaust, namely the systematic, industrial murder in special murder factories. This industrial rate of murder is unique in the long history of genocides. Stalin's camps were cruel, but they were not extermination camps with gas chambers. This also applies to other genocides.

So if you honestly compare the Gaza War with the Holocaust, you quickly realize that it is something completely different. And anyone who seriously equates the two is trivializing the Holocaust to an extent that almost borders on Holocaust denial. This is guaranteed to lead someone here to call me a “genocide denier”, but: if Israel acted like the Nazis in the Gaza Strip, all the women and children would be dead by now and a few last surviving men would be maltreated to death as work slaves. And yes, we all know why Israel of all places is constantly compared to the Holocaust, even though there is no factual basis.

*automatically translated from a feddit.org user I very much agree with. Not citing the account to not disclose them to save them from brigading.

Hahaha YES DEFEDERATE THE FEDIVERSE