I'm voting blue, and you should too
But if it's a competition for engagement, why did we have to go with the least engaging candidate possible?
this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2024
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Because the system isn't fixed yet.
Unfortunately, we have to engage in order to fix it. It won't just fix itself so that we can participate with a clean ~~ego~~ conscience.
So much this. This is a shitty game, but the only way to fix the game, is to play. Keep voting blue to beat the fascist reds, and in primaries, vote with your heart. A strong voter turnout for both will make the red party irrelevant until they move more to the center, while also pushing blue more left.
Okay... But let's walk it out... Say turn out is good enough to beat Trump this time... Biden gets in again... What's the next step? How do we then get him and the Dems to fix the system? Probably not even that hard... Ranked choice, end dark money, end gerrymandering... The rest will likely sort itself out... So what? Do we call our elected reps and say, okay, this time I really mean it, you fix this dumpster fire or else... Else what?
(Just to keep this from getting derailed... I'm voting for Biden and so should everyone, especially in the swing states.)
But I've heard this song before... Over and over... Just vote like you're told to this time, and then we'll fix the system later... And like clockwork we're right back here every 4 years... And god forbid anyone ever point out that we did this exact same dance last time, and we got them in, and shocker of all shockers, they didn't fucking fix anything about the system. Shit, they didn't even try.
So show me the Democrat's plan to fix the system. Or I guess it is already "fixed"... How are they going to unfuck it?
What’s the next step?
It's not salvageable on the national level. It's only going to happen with organization outside of the DNC. Unions, community organizations, and activist groups for boycotts and strikes with a clearly defined political objective.
Step one is that people need to show up for more than just presidential elections. The only way to move left at a national level is to show the establishment that progressive candidates are winning in local and state races and it's more than just a couple of them here or there. Get more progressives in the kind of offices that can set them up to be governors and senators - those are the people who generally end up as president. There's no overnight solution, which is what a lot of people seem to expect.
Buuuut voter turnout in non-presidential election years sucks, and it's even worse outside of midterms. I don't know how to solve that part. I've voted in every single election I could since I turned 18, and I don't understand the complete lack of engagement. I know how to solve the things that prevent willing voters from doing it, but I don't know how we fix apathy.
- I have a product that I want to sell.
- You don't like that product.
- I'm at risk of being broke because I don't sell anything.
- It's YOUR FAULT because you don't buy what I sell.
I think that's not the way it works.
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My source? I made it the fuck up
Is this progressive politics or Blue MAGA math?
Don't you have a trump to help elect?
I don't advocate for politicians in favor of Genocide. How about you?
Can't run an anti-genocide candidates. They're unelectable.
Running as anti-genocide is no different than running as pro-Trump
It’s much easier to get 65% turnout when it’s a candidate we can get excited about.
His record is great, and the alternative is the end of democracy.
What more do you want
I dunno... someone that doesn't make up words like "goodest"?
Fantastigasmical?
The difference is that you made that word up on purpose…
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Those % are very much bullshit but I support the message. Vote out the fascist party.
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The current political crisis is a competition of ideas. Specifically who can spread their ideas the farthest and the fastest. Neo-liberalism is entrenched in our society and because of that fascism is on the rise. People reflexively reject socialism without understanding that the ideas work and would improve our lives.
We need to vote for Biden in 2024, because he is going to be the Democratic nominee. But defeating Trump will not be the end of this problem. Unless we successfully perform a political revolution we are going to be in this same situation with the threat of a fascist take-over every presidential election.
We need wealth redistribution and also systemic change to our political and economic institutions. To do that we do need high voter turnout. We need people to vote for socialists and progressives in 2026 and 2028. To get those votes we need to change minds.
I personally appreciate the sentiment of this meme, because we need to be encouraging voter turnout. But the fascist movement will only grow the longer we stick with neo-liberalism. The more wealth inequality grows the more people who will be susceptible to fascist ideas.
If the Republicans win this one, you won't have to worry about voting ever again.
The funny thing is that I remember this being said about every candidate since Bill Clinton. Dont worry everything is going to be alright.
gestures broadly at the world that has been increasingly crumbling
You sure about that?
I agree things are crumbling, but Trump is a symptom not the cause. Trump is not going to be the end of things, he is just a dude that likes to talk about himself and be important.
I would broadly agree with that, except for the documented attempts to subvert the election. I think that ones pretty uniquely bad
I guess it depends on what subvert the election means. From all that I have known and heard it seems to be the same legal things that all the candidates usually do. And then when I say this someone links some partisan article about how it was worse than when Deathstar destroys Alderan.
how about this, we get 80% of the country, the disenfranchised non-voters and vote for an actually decent third party and destroy them both
Good. I would also like a pony.
is the Democratic strategy for engagement to respond with cynicism and low bars?
Always has been when it's critical of them
Unlike . . . who
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