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Even if it were a yellow dog? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat

I think there's legitimate self-delusion that keeps some of them believing the centrist is the safe choice. Some of them delude themselves into thinking that being centrist is a good idea because people don't like, "wokeness." Some of them convince themselves that if they're too progressive, the donors will abandon them and they won't have enough money to win. I think the old timers like Carvil legitimately think that centrism is the best strategy because they can't get past 1992. But yeah, I think deep down, they would all prefer losing with a neoliberal centrist than winning with an actual progressive, even if some of them won't admit it.

Yep. They want another billion in campaign donations, even if it ends in a loss.

It's just insane. People are so desperate for change that they're willing to vote for fascism, and the Democrats are trying to put run a moderate conservative. If they're not completely delusional, then they must believe the James Carvils of the party who are telling them they just have to wait for the Republicans to become unpopular again to take power. In the best case scenario, they'll win in four years, then lose in another 4 (probably to a more competent fascist) because people will see they're not doing anything for them.

2016, 2020, and 2024 made it obvious the Democratic Party will never let a progressive win the election. They will do whatever they need to do to mess with the election to prevent that from happening. 2016 they manipulated the media heavily, used delegates to manipulate numbers early to build support for her, manipulated graphs to make him seem like he was doing badly, constantly misconstrued Bernie's ideas in media interviews, gave her debate questions, and showed empty podiums Trump would sit at instead of Bernie speeches. 2020 they brought in Bloomberg who only entered to make sure Bernie didn't win, also did some media manipulation, kept trying to coopt some of his ideas in a more watered down form, and then called everyone but Warren, who shared the most voters with Bernie, to drop out at the same time after it looked like he could win. In 2024 they basically didn't even have a primary, with no debates, interviews with candidates, or anything, and even skipped it in some states. Once that process was over, he just handed the candidacy over to his VP.

They will always tip the scales and will never let it be fair if there is a danger of an outsider winning. The Democratic Party is a bunch of donors and industry staffers in a trench coat. I've basically given up on having any hope in it, this last election and it's support for "the most lethal army in the world" while we're enabling a genocide was the last straw.

Trump won because he threatened to run as an independent and spoil the Republicans chances. The DNC would rather let the Republicans win then let a progressive independent win. If we can't get a real progressive on the ballot, we can't wait for election day to do something about it

Democratic voters need to find their balls and brains to deny the establishment their choice instead of reluctantly getting behind the MSNBC boosted candidate.

If it looks like that's going to happen, they just won't bother with primaries.

Again.

Sanders will be 86 by the time of the next election.

We care about age now that we no longer have to pretend that biden is lucid.