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Late Stage Capitalism
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Mao and his CCP thugs murdered over 70 million who disagreed with them and it continues to this very day. Fuck the fascists and communists.
CCP are fascists not communists
My mom was just telling me a while ago about how one of her uncles was tortured by the communists after they came to power. Small note: he was a member of the legionnaires, so I can relate to this meme.
Sounds like a racist who was a part of a terrorist group.
Both can be pieces of shit.
First they came for the grandfathers and I did not speak out, for my grandfather was a Nazi.
Didn't know the Cambodians, Polish, Kalmyks, Kazakhs, Tatars, Ukrainians, Anarchists, Left SRs, Trotskyists and Peasants were all Nazis. Must be fun to live in that world.
The Finns who died defending their homeland from naked, opportunistic Soviet imperialism also wish to say hi.
Ah yes, the poor innocent nazi aligned fins "only doing it to fight communism."
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-11/report-finds-finnish-soldiers-were-complicit-in-wwii-atrocities/10798222
Have you ever – even once – thought that if:
- The USSR hadn't started the Winter War under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact it signed on friendly terms with Nazi Germany to grab more land while the rest of Europe wasn't in a position to help, killing and wounding tens of thousands of Finns
- The USSR hadn't stolen 10% of Finland's land in exchange for what can generously be described as a "promise" of peace
- The USSR hadn't scuttled Finland's attempts afterward to develop a defensive pact with Norway and Sweden
- The USSR hadn't invaded and absorbed the Baltic states as part of the same pact with Nazi Germany
- The USSR hadn't demanded mineral rights already given to the UK and then instigated riots in Finland when they didn't get what they wanted
- The USSR hadn't interfered with the December 1940 Finnish election
- The USSR had offered to return Finland's land when it realized "oh no, the consequences of my own actions: Finland is allied militarily with Nazi Germany now."
- The USSR had been on friendly terms with Finland instead of giving them what every serious historian describes as no realistic opportunity not to ally with Germany
That maybe they wouldn't have been forced to ally with Germany in the Continuation War? That Finland might have remained neutral or even joined in with the Allies which the Soviets were a part of? You can even look in the article you're linking to:
As a part of the pact, Nazi SS chief Heinrich Himmler insisted that the Finns dispatch [1408] soldiers to the SS Wiking division similar to the volunteers it demanded from Nazi-occupied Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and elsewhere.
Reluctantly, Finns complied and covertly recruited the first group of 400 SS volunteers to be sent for training.
The leading Finnish military historians who undertook the probe into the country's wartime role wrote that those Finnish troops likely witnessed shootings and other atrocities against Jews and other civilians by advancing Nazi troops.
This was all done reluctantly. The Finns had no ideological alignment with the Nazis; it was done purely out of necessity because of the USSR's – again – nakedly imperialist actions. You have zero intellectual integrity. None. Your rhetoric relies not on a convincing argument but on the reader's ignorance. And I'm not even a little surprised to see you sticking up for Putin's genocidal invasion of Ukraine elsewhere.
Edit: Also, where the hell did "only doing it to fight communism" come from? I said the exact opposite: that they were doing it in self-defense against Soviet imperialist aggression. What?
thanks I don't read revisionism and lies
>"I don't read revisionism and lies"
>Quoting the article you fucking linked to and didn't read past the headline
your interpretation of an article and cherrypicking
And the headline is all that matters.
Certainly not:
FINNISH military historians who undertook the probe into the country’s wartime role wrote... as if those nazi whitewashers are neutral.
You had a swastika on your luftwaffe until 2017 FFS.
And your BS answer undoubtedly is: but it was before Hitler used it!
Again not interested in your revisionism, you were nazis then and still have plenty now. Awful people.
Not so different from the Balts, at least they are proud of their nazi past and have remembrances, like the Ukros.
Get over it and live with it
So you just stated that Russia was imperialistic. That in itself should give you more context about the kind of nation Russia was. Communism is a way of thought not anyone nation. Think more critically about what you say.
Post says: "communists killed". Not "communism killed". The USSR were communists. The Finns were innocent when the USSR invaded them. Communists killed tens of thousands of innocents in that invasion. The entire aim of this post is to disingenuously suggest that anytime someone brings up the innocent victims of the USSR, they're actually defending the Nazis killed in WWII.
That's not what you wrote though. You biased is showing.
Is that why it's never worked?
Cuba has the most educated population per land mass.
They have free health care and post secondarily.
A lot of well off countries dabble in communism Switzerland for example has universal income.
Don't sit here and pretend like it doesn't work.
Learn first.
Two things are true at once:
- They did crimes
- They fought even bigger criminals
And two things are true at once:
- Descendants of their innocent victims consider them monsters, and they are correct and valid.
- Descendants of the even bigger criminals that got "neutralized" hide among the other category, and they are dishonest.
The only correct take in capitalism-communism discourse
No, this is the for the Communism-fascism discourse.
When it comes to Communism-capitalism, my take is that while we are able, correct and valid to pinpoint the crimes of (big-C) Communists, we are steeped in (small-c) capitalist ideology and are completely desensitized to the ongoing systemic crimes of our own system, which are in my opinion graver than anything the (big-C) Communists ever did.
Fair point. I definitely feel like the shortcomings of capitalism will become more evident if/when we eventually switch to a different politico-economic model. For now, the propaganda is still prevalent.
Such a profoundly dense thing to post, it could have only been made up by an American. How can anyone have such compartmentilized view of history is truly beyond me, unless of course they are incredibly ignorant or some kind of Putin's lapdog, like Medvyedev, actively engaged in the denial of atrocites.
The grandfather:
Georgi Markov, Bulgarian screenwriter, poisoned by the secret police.
Jan Zahradníček, Czech poet and writer bound to a wheelchair. Absolutely of no threat to the regime. Tortured and killed.
The 22 000 Polish grandfathers and potentional grandfathers killed simply for the crime of not being born Russian:
Fuck fascists, fucking kill them. That includes the officials of whatever totalitarian communist regime you think is "a vibe"
never mind. latter is the case. This poster is a Putin fanboy and Uyghur genocide denier. All his posts read like the typical former /pol/ kid turned tankie.
no doubt i will also get banned for saying this, since they're also moderator here.
go ahead товарищ комиϟϟар, play out your little fash fantasy.
Did Trotsky have grandchildren? Or did the Communists exterminate his entire family line?
I mean you can say that. At the same time I grew up in a communist country where your neighbours were disappeared for whatever reason that authorities saw fit. I saw the oligarchs keep their power under a different name and regular folk stay poor, and get even poorer than before. You American kids love the idea of communism but it don’t work in practice, it requires humans to be selfless, it requires leaders who will reach the top and give up power and money, and spread it to the people below. I don’t think that’s possible with humans, too selfish. Socialism under direct rules and regulations, great. But strong man communism isn’t different than fascism or capitalism to the people at the bottom