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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Hello world,

as many of you probably already know, Lemmy is an open source project and its development is funded by donations.

Unfortunately, as is often the case, donations amounts are often going down over time if people are not aware of their necessity. When older users leave the platform they may stop donating, while new users joining will typically not be aware of this and won't start donating to even things out or even go towards an overall increase in donations.

All of the services provided by our non-profit Fedihosting Foundation are dependent on the development of FOSS platforms, which we can host without paying any licensing or other fees, instead only being required to pay for the infrastructure cost. We are currently investing a small part (€50 each) of the donations we receive in development of Lemmy and Mastodon, but the majority of the donations we receive are used for covering infrastructure costs. We're currently just about breaking even with the donations we receive, but it's certainly not enough to cover a large part of Lemmy or other software development costs.

We're looking to support sustainable software development for all the services we provide and will post similar announcements on our other platforms to promote donations towards the respective development teams in the coming days.

You can find the original announcement by @[email protected] below:

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005

An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000€ per month. This leaves only 1000€ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:

Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto

If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name "Luigi".

Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.

Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can't go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000€ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500€ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.

Donate


edit, as this was frequently brought up:

Will donations to Lemmy development go towards the operation of lemmy.ml?

It depends on the donation method used and is limited to around 2% of the minimum overall donation goal. The vast majority of donations is exclusively used for developer salaries.

lemmy.ml hosting is only financed by donations via Opencollective. All other donations go exclusively to developer salaries.

[source]

For donations via Open Collective, yes, a tiny fraction of donations towards Lemmy development will go towards the operation of lemmy.ml. The reasons for this include that lemmy.ml is used for testing new releases and also that it's not worth maintaining a separate donation account for the instance. Additionally, it should be noted that the money going towards lemmy.ml hosting is just a tiny fraction of the funds that are being asked for. Hosting lemmy.ml costs around €100/month, which is only 2% of the stated minimum donation goal.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I donated a few bucks.

I see the controversy in the comments section, but none of us would be here if it wasn't for the work of the devs.

I remember internet forums in the 90s and early 2000s and I've played MMO civilization roleplaying Minecraft servers with IRL nazis, takies, fascists, etc. Some of those communities made 4Chan look like Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. From my own experience ml has "character" and so do beehaw and dbzer0. These cultural differences are enabled by decentralized social media. There's validity to the idea that the sign-up process should capture more of these nuances. You don't have to look any further than your own instance to find bad takes and imperfect admins and moderators, but they're still the best of the best because they actually did it and the people talking about them didn't. Maybe I'm uneducated on this and I'll change my mind, but as it stands I'm cool until they force tank emojis on .world users.

I do think it's good that this type of talk happens, as it allows instances to develop a reputation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Good take. I find the obsession over "tankies" very fringe and on the hysteric side. Now they let perfect be the enemy of good and even sabotage the the very project they spend a some much time on.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

I donated! Great job, and I really appreciate your work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Done, sponsor level on Patreon.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I used to put up $50/mo to Hexbear, until they banned me for defending the DSA.

So far, the politics on this community have been dogshit. But the moderation has been generally fair, friendly, and functional. To you, I say, Shut Up and Take My Money. Thanks for letting me continue my shitposting habits, even if we've agreed to disagree.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

banned me for defending the DSA.

EU Digital Services Act?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That’s what’s so rich. Used to donate to the Lemmy devs and then got censored on .ml for not bootlicking the CCP. Lemmy devs have a PR problem, maybe that’s why they’re struggling.

I still contribute to world and voyager.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Lemmy devs have a fascist tanky problem.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (21 children)

Comments are a hilarious minefield and a painful reminder of exactly how online leftists can never get shit done. We want FOSS federated social media platforms to escape the tech giants that would happily facilitate a fascist wave if it meant they can serve more targeted ads. But when that platform actually exists in a totally functional and apolitical way, we don't want to support its development because the people willing to work full time on the project for poverty wages have bad political opinions. It's so bad that we'd rather support Steve Huffman's bot farm which is 1,000 times as politically influential as Lemmy will ever be at this rate.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, it's still an upgrade from mainstream social media like Reddit, Facebook, etc., but to think the money I meant for Lemmy as a tech is being used to maintain a tankie ("communists did bad things because of the west" or straight up denying attrocities, the ones that defend dictators just because they were communist [my issue is defending dictators, not communism], type tankies), "dems and reps are the same because dems aren't leftist enough" type instance... Makes me doubt. If donations for each were separated I wouldn't doubt.

I'm probably overthinking it, though. I was funding Reddit through ads, after all. It just gives me the ick to donate to people who allow the praisal of dictators on their instance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Well if it's any consolation, they would probably maintain .ml with or without a living wage made by developing Lemmy. Your contribution to their lives only dictates whether Lemmy the software gets developed, or they take another full time job and continue adminning on .ml

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago (1 children)

These money will go to two people who created and actively maintain and promote an instance pretending the brutal murder of Ukranians is not happening but also necessary, and deleting and banning contrary opinions.

No.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago

Im okay, was gonna donate. But not if it supports lemmy.ml

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is it possible donate to Lemmy development without contributing to Lemmy.ml?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

The donation pays salary for devs and (barely) not site maintenance, but the devs are also basically lemmy.ml, so the distinction may not feel useful.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago

thanks to those who donate and keep this place running, cuz I can't right now :)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The comments are a full microcosm showcasing why Lemmy will stay underground and it will never overtake reddit

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If half the people circlejerking in here were serious they could pay a liberal developer to contribute instead, but somehow I doubt that's happening.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

well its tough to first find a liberal developer who needs to be persuaded to do this.

second you have to believe they are actually liberal instead of pretending to be for the money or opportunity.

third, you have to hope they aren't actually a bad faith plant who writes s virus or something

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