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feddit.uk has been defederated from lemmy.blahaj.zone (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/25042034

This post is "FYI only" for blahaj lemmy members. It is not a debate, and is not intended for non blahaj lemmy users to weigh in and offer opinions.

I recently received reports of a feddit.uk user espousing transphobia. Specifically, this was a feddit.uk user refusing to use the word cis, repeating the "adult human female" dog whistle, and claiming that trans women are not women. I approached a member of the feddit.uk admin team and raised my concerns and sought clarification of their stance on posts like this, where the transphobia is mostly dogwhistles, and "civil disagreement" on the validity of trans folk.

I was told by the feddit.uk admin that their preferred response is this kind of transphobia is to "sort it out through discussion and voting". However, the comments in question are currently more upvoted than downvoted, and little "sorting out" has occurred. The posts remain in place.

At this point, the admin stopped responding to my messages despite being active elsewhere on lemmy. When it became clear they were ignoring my messages and had no intention of removing the posts in question, I made the decision to defederate the instance.

I know some folk agree with the feddit.uk admins approach of pushback through discussion and voting, but this instance is not designed to be that kind of space. Blahaj lemmy is meant to be a place where we can avoid the rampant transphobia universally visible on nearly every other social media platform, and where we can exist without needing to debate our right to do so.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Transphobia? In the United Kingdom, you say?

I am dumbstruck.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

Hi, Feddit UK admin here, I'd just like to add a bit more context. We're currently discussing these comments in an admin chat, though this was apparently not communicated to Ada so she got the impression inaction was our position. Our position is not inaction, but these specific comments have become wrapped up in a policy discussion on how we facilitate discussion of our state's increasing hostile actions without allowing transphobia to propagate. I hope we can rectify the situation soon, but doing things by committee is never swift.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago

Ada has said that she defederated because of a lack of response, not the content itself.

Extra context is helpful, thanks.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

I'm coming to this specific post late.

But I do wanna say that I've had interactions with the .uk admins over the last year or so. Their user histories exist.

I think it important to note that the individual admins have been public in their support of trans issues. While the slow response is definitely an issue, try not to villainize them without something concrete to back that up. Any of us that disagree with the delay in particular (and please note the inclusive plural), remember that someone can make a bad choice and still be an ally.

Yeah, the optimum response would have been immediate action via comment removals, with debate to follow and reinstatement if merited after debate; combined with prompt communication (within a realistic range of prompt for someone not glued to their instance 24/7). But optimum isn't always going to happen. My grumpy, cantankerous old ass is not often optimum, so I sure can't hold delays and iffy reasoning against anyone else, as long as they get there eventually.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago (10 children)

While the underlying issue swirling around the UK courts' confusion of gender vs. sex, male vs. female is just as confusing to me and I have no clear answers for that, the Blahaj admin's move is I think the right one.

That instance prides itself as being a safe-space for LGBTQ+ folks, so explicitly allowing behaviour that does not recognize its users' identities, is reasonable grounds for defederation.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

Defederate an instance because of a single problematic user doesn't feel right.

But also defederate an instance because their admins don't comply their own rules doesn't feel wrong.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'd argue it wasn't defederated because of one user, it was defederating because of a fundamental disagreement in moderation policies.

The one user could've been saying anything people could find deplorable. It was that the admin chose to be hands-off about it that pulled the trigger.

Which is a good thing, in that servers are allowed to decide how they want to handle moderation, and other server owners are allowed to decide if they accept that, or if they expect the moderation will lead to continued problems of the same vein down the road. The fediverse working as intended.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago

Well said. It's curious how marginalized people's decisions to protect themselves are always up for debate. If someone doesn't agree with this moderation decision, cool, don't use Blahaj.

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