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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago

The Heritage Foundation is located at:

214 Massachusetts Avenue NE, Washington, D.C., U.S.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What does the heritage foundation have against Wikipedia?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 days ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (6 children)

The best counter to bias is in an openly edited project is contributing corrected information with high quality sources. So instead of spending their time doxxing wikipedia editors, how about actually contributing quality data?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Are you really saying that conservative groups should start publishing facts?

I'm guessing you don't quite understand how these people work. Most of their policies are crap and most people are still smart enough to understand so they lie. They lie a lot. They lie about just about everything.

See Fox News, for example. Whenever fox News tells a truth, an angel gets its wings and let's just say that angels learned to dig like worms instead.

See influencers like Ben Shapiro whom I just saw fantasising about his sister btw

See president cheeto, who would excuse himself if he ever said a truth

Truth and facts are poison to these people

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Are you really saying that conservative groups should start publishing facts?

Yes.

I also understand how they work. That doesn't change the fact that they should change to start publishing facts.

Some of their policies are acceptable (on paper). I'm generally a fan of lower taxes (ironically, the progressive income tax was created under Republicans Roosevelt and Taft), smaller scope of federal government, and reducing barriers to economic development. And that used to be what conservatives in the US stood for, at least on paper. These days they're merely obstructionist and don't seem to actually have a plan themselves, adding as much or more to the national deficit compared to Democrats.

I'm long past believing anyone with power will actually act on their ideological convictions. Democrats are supposed to be the pro-worker party, yet Biden gave railroad workers a pretty crappy deal. Republicans are supposed to be "fiscally conservative," yet spending rose dramatically during Trump's first term and is rising this year too (despite claiming to make fiscal cuts), and here's the official Treasury page stating we've already spent 3.5T this year (fiscal year starts in October, so only half that time was under Trump).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

See influencers like Ben Shapiro whom I just saw fantasising about his sister btw

Yeah, that was fake.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, I just saw that too. Hard to see these days with the idiocies that people like him post

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

What high quality data? They have nothing, that's why they are doing this bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

It prints the truth more often than not.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I'll note too that even absent Heritage Foundation threats, this can be useful to spur development of the project (i.e. for people who don't want a permanent account but don't feel comfortable having their IP permanently, publicly attached to edits). Probably the reason it hasn't been done in the past is it's almost certainly going to make it easier for bad actors to fly under the radar. Before, you either had to show your IP address (which can reveal your location and will usually uniquely identify who edited something for at least a little bit; you also can't use a VPN without special permission) or you had to register a single account (where if you created multiple, a sockpuppet investigation would often find out).

So there's an inherent trade-off, but I think right-wing threats of stochastic terrorism really tipped the scales.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Well you say you can use a VPN, but you may often see that you’re not able to edit using a VPN IP if that IP block has been used for vandalism in the past. So then you’d have to potentially revert to a coffee shop or library which would still identify your location.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Point of clarification: I said that you can't use a VPN, and that's because those IPs are blocked. As noted, you need to ask for a special exception, which for most people isn't navigable and may not even be granted without a good stated reason and/or trust built up through good edits.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't Wiki still have the data? So a bad actor's behavior pattern can be seen at aggregate behind the scenes?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There are only 846 administrators on the English Wikipedia. This is across 7 million articles, 118,000 active registered users, about two edits per second, about a million files just on Wikipedia (most of them are hosted on Wikipedia's sister project, Wikimedia Commons), and over 60 million total pages (articles, talk pages, user pages, redirects, help pages, templates, etc.). So although they have this data, it's not useful if somebody doesn't notice and investigate it. Administrators are stretched thin with administrative functions, and that's not even accounting for many of them participating as normal editors too (tangent: besides obvious violations of policies, administrators have no more say over Wikipedia's content than any other editor).

Contrary to the idea that new editors sometimes get of Wikipedia as a suffocating police state run by the administrators, usually when edits get reverted it's because regular editors notice this and revert it citing policies or guidelines without any administrator involvement (every editor has this power). If an administrator intervenes, it's usually because a non-admin noticed and reported (what they perceive as) bad behavior to an admin, two editors are locked in a stalemate, or there's some routine clerical issue to be resolved.

Sockpuppeting, copyright violations, etc. are often (even usually) found by regular editors who notice something amiss and decide to dig a bit deeper. Even with automated tools that will flag an edit that replaces the article with the n-word 500 times in a row, and even given that some non-admin editors have tools which let them detect some issues, there's just only so much that 850-ish people can find on a website that massive. For example, one time a few years back, I just randomly stumbled across an editor who was changing articles about obscure historic battles between India and Pakistan to have wildly pro-Pakistan slants – where treacherous India was the aggressor, but brilliant, strong, and courageous Pakistan stood their ground and sent pathetic India home crying with shit in their diapers. The bias was oozing from the page (with poor, if any, citations to match), and I can imagine this would fly under the radar for a while on a handful of articles that collectively get maybe 30 pageviews a day.

TL;DR: Too few admins.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Anyone got a list of the heritage foundation leaders and big players?

It's only fair

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Um ... This doxing threat seems like a really dumb move, on par with daring Anonymous to take you down. Really, if you want to play Internet hardball, there are folks that would love to show you how it works. (Not me!)

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (14 children)

How is that defensible? Are there no laws to tamp down online terrorism from bad actors like Heritage? I'd imagine they're 100% in the wrong for making threats of any kind but I'm just a wee layman.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The issue with "Wait that's illegal" is that it never work in practice.

If the heritage foundation decide to dox an editor tomorrow. The editor in question would have to file a lawsuit and go against an army of layers the heritage foundation can afford. Even if the editor win at the end, it will be a long and drawn out legal battle where heritage risk almost nothing.

And this is not accounting for the editor having to deal with harassment due to being dox while having to pay for a layer and fighting a legal battle.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

Even if there was, look who's in power. Even if judges ruled against Heritage, I'm not holding my breath of them getting any sort of accountability.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

The laws exist to protect bad actors like Heritage

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (6 children)

There's a lot of crimes happening nowadays by members of this administration. Add it to the pile.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Heritage Foundation has threatened to doxx the editors of wikipedia because the greatest threat to authoritarians is information

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (5 children)

ELi5 please: how can heritage foundation track an IP address to a particular person? and what happens if the editor simply makes edit via VPN? and why does WP show the IP adresses anyway?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Your IP address says far more about you than you think. Your IP address can generally automatically identify what country and continent you are on. Who your ISP is. Possibly narrowing down to even your local region. At which point they simply need to find some marginally plausible reason to petition the ISP to identify who that IP address was leased to during x period of time. And then all of a sudden you're not very anonymous.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)
  1. Wikipedia shows IPs instead of usernames for anonymous edits, which the heritage foundation can see. Wikipedia now automatically creates “temporary accounts” for anonymous edits instead of showing the IP
  2. Wikipedia blocks most VPN edits because they cull malicious edits by IP, so while possible, it’s difficult to make an edit from a VPN since the IP is likely shared with bad actors
  3. See above. In an effort to limit malicious or nonhelpful edits, anonymous edits are shown by IP in the edit history, though this now stops that
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I had a guy contact me about buying a Minecraft account a few months ago. It was an account held by a highschool friend of mine with a three-letter username that is a word, making it incredibly unique.

He identified the now-unmonitored email address associated with it, found that email in leaked logs from a forum, then searched for other hits from the same IP in the same time range. That forum access was from my house, so he found my email associated with it elsewhere.

He successfully identified another friend of ours at the same time. All from a single dynamic IP fifteen years ago.

Wikipedia blocks edits from pretty much all public VPNs and is very harsh with IP bans in general. They do allow edits without accounts though, so they show the IP so that an accountless user can be identified when making multiple edits or posting on the talk page. Hashing it would probably make more sense.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Wikipedia attempts to shield editors from being Doxxed and harassed by right wing nuts and their followers over writing accurate information.

Right wing nuts take offense at not being able to shape the narrative/history.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’ll never contribute to Wikipedia because they block VPNs

They should really unblock them. I know it’s not always easy to combat these problems, but a dedicated individual can break articles using non-VPN IPs like mobile data IPs

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They not only enforce IP bans on account creation but on every single edit you make, even if logged in…

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

No matter what you think of Wikipedia, if the heritage foundation have actually threatened to dox editors then that’s despicable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (6 children)

"No matter what you think of Wikipedia" sounds like Wikipedia is extremely controversial. I've never met a person who has anything against Wikipedia. How insane and out of touch with reality do you have to be to have something against Wikipedia?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The only people I've seen that dislike it are people who want to hide things (like Holocaust deniers) or people that have some weird beef with people that run it or edit it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I've also seen people who dislike it, but only when it doesn't agree with them.

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