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Never Forget 9/11 (lemmy.world)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"I'm a deal maker. I make the best deals."

Makes deal with terrorist organization. Terrorists fails to uphold their side of the deal. Blames biden.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 7 months ago

He just had the concept of a deal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

sounds like a great deal, he gets a reason to blame biden.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, yes, he only makes deals for himself. That's the whole problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

isn't that one of the only good parts of trump, that and being a constant source of entertainment.

[+] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 98 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yes.

DAVID MUIR: Vice President Harris, thank you. President Trump, your response to her saying that you began the negotiations with the Taliban.

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Yeah, thank you. So if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers. And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing. That's the fighting force within Afghanistan. They don't bother doing that because you know, they deal with the wrong people all the time. But I got involved. And Abdul is the head of the Taliban. He is still the head of the Taliban. And I told Abdul don't do it anymore, you do it anymore you're going to have problems. And he said why do you send me a picture of my house? I said you're going to have to figure that out, Abdul. And for 18 months we had nobody killed. We did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo. It was a very good agreement. The reason it was good, it was -- we were getting out.

Emphasis added. Trump negotiated the surrender of Afghanistan with the Taliban, releaseing 5,000 Taliban prisoners and drawing down troops to an unsustainable level before leaving office. To protect the remaining troops (and the Afghani government) would have required Biden deploying all new troops and commiting to extending the occupation. Biden chose not to do that, and finished Trump's surrender.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You know thinking about his answer, he didn't care about Afghanistan not falling. All he "cared" about was Americans not dieing, which didn't work anyway because he telegraphed everything. He served up Afghanistan on a platter.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I guaran-goddamn-tee he’d feed a thousand American soldiers to Rottweilers if it would get him more power and fewer consequences for his venality. All he wanted was to sabotage Biden. Nothing more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's true too. You can see it in the timing so that it would happen right at the start of Biden's term. If it went well, Trump could take the credit. If it went bad, then it's Biden's fault.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

It’s always been the right’s strongest play: sabotage the ship on the way out. It works especially well economically because of the lag time between policy and impact.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

My BFF Abdul

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So if you take a look at that period of time, the Taliban was killing our soldiers, a lot of them, with snipers. And I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing.

Hmm, so context made it significantly worse this time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Yeppers.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The transcript has it amongst rambling about how much their leader respects him but the quote was, "I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was doing the killing."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/08/world/asia/afghanistan-trump-camp-david-taliban.html

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The only successful deal he made was with terrorists that killed 3,000 American civilians in 9/11 and it was the worst deal to pull out of Afghanistan. He failed a deal with North Korea. And even with careful planning the complexity of the Afghanistan withdrawal would of been just as bad because the Afghan Goverment just handed territory over with no resistance

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"But, I’ll say it with great respect: Number one, Taliban not my type. Number two, it never happened."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

"But I'll say, if the opportunity arose, I know their leader well, he is a strong man. We'd tag team well I think. Just really dive straight in."

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago

I didn't like this line of attack, yes you're going to have to negotiate with a terrorist organization after you lost a war to that terrorist organization and that organization is going to take control of the country. The fact that you talked with the Taliban isn't the problem, the fact that you negotiated a bad deal is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Is this praxis?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Not entirely sure what you mean, but that is indeed a real quote from the debate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Does it really matter? Seems canon at least.
Maybe he found some Taliban supporting potential voters and started spewing stuff to appease them?