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With surveys reporting that an increasing number of young men are subscribing to these beliefs, the number of women finding that their partners share the misogynistic views espoused by the likes of Andrew Tate is also on the rise. Research from anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, which polled about 2,000 people across the UK aged 16 to 24, discovered that 41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.

“Numbers are growing, with wives worried about their husbands and partners becoming radicalised,” says Nigel Bromage, a reformed neo-Nazi who is now the director of Exit Hate Trust, a charity that helps people who want to leave the far right.

“Wives or partners become really worried about the impact on their family, especially those with young children, as they fear they will be influenced by extremism and racism.”

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Just use a manometer.

[–] [email protected] 204 points 1 week ago (12 children)

"Do you regularly watch videos by Jordan Peterson?" kinda needs to become one of those before-first-date screening questions.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

What if the answer is yes, but I'm laughing at him the whole time?

Editing this dumb two day old throwaway comment to point out if you want to actually overcome the rhetoric you disagree with, then you need to pay enough attention to it to actually interact with people who take it seriously, because apparently I'm still getting replies.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Still shows that you've got a whole lot of time to waste and that you might be susceptible to eventually fall down the rabbit hole

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (5 children)

either that or: ben shapiro, or joe roegan videos.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

12% of young women support Tate? That's way higher than what I expected :( I can't understand why would any woman support someone who makes a fortune out of exploiting and abusing women openly

[–] [email protected] 155 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Tradwife content is on the rise for women as well, more and more young people are buying into this mythical simpler past as the world gets more complex, alienating and difficult.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I can understand that but how come being a webcam girl and endure physical and psychological abuse fit in the "tradwife" narrative? It's particularly support for Tate what I can't understand

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I think this is ambigous. When people are asked "do you support the views of Andrew Tate?" How many actually know these in particular? What if individual views are asked and then if more than 50% are answered with "support" it is considered to support his views overall?

I've read enough news to know that Tate is a terrible person and probably a serious criminal. But i would not be able to describe his views, nor do i want to find out what his views are exactly.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Almost every survey will get 6-10% of people answering yes to the most extreme or batshit crazy option, no matter what.

Probably the main reason is that people are pissed off that they are being approached by survey takers and punish the survey for revenge.

And there are some batshit crazy people out there.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

The Lizardman Constant.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Spoilers: there were signs

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

Yeah, they just didn’t pay attention to their partner. Which, not making excuses, is a good part of how they slip there.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago (35 children)

Occasionally my partner does or says some things that remind me of the “manosphere” aka 4chan neckbeards.

And when it happens, we talk about it. I don’t pretend or let it go as “he doesn’t mean it” or “he doesn’t know what he’s saying”. I don’t get mad and he doesn’t get mad. We have an adult discussion and I’m careful not to talk down to him.

A perfect example was that he sometimes says “females” when he means “women”. I explain that it’s not a swear word but it’s still derogatory. I explain why. Once I did, he understood and stopped doing it.

It doesn’t have to be a big deal! Communication is key!

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 week ago (10 children)

You want a trad wife? Get your sorry ass to work buying her cars, clothes, houses, furnishings so she can focus on making your home. Kids in private school, high class vacations, all of it.

Provider is a title that is earned and I doubt even a thousandth of these blowholes are up to the task of being a trad husband.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago

Thank you, I'd rather be a trophy husband than support a tradwife

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's surprising to me that married people are falling for this shit. I thought it was just incels desperate for anything that might give them a chance or an excuse.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it isn't about being single, its about the modern hell world instilling extreme helplessness in vulnerable people, and they seek any answers whatsoever. the manosphere happily provides 'answers' in exchange for money

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It has also seeped into every aspect of male culture. You want to watch a YouTube show about cars? Sure. The first couple episodes are normal and then they start sliding in dumb shit.

You listen to a podcast about working out? Same thing goes. It’s little stuff here and there. Sometimes it starts as a reoccurring joke, but it keeps happening until they actually believe.

I also find there are a lot of young people who aren’t comfortable on computers and basically believe whatever they see on the internet, much like an older generation.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I was enjoying some videos about dumb Steven Seagal movies, but then I realized that every single one would have jokes about women being bad drivers, being overly emotional, etc. At first I took it as a humorous way to look at Seagal's misogyny, but then it became apparent that it was being applied in other cases where it didn't make sense. It was subtle, in the context of the rest of the videos, but a definitely present part was the manosphere mentality.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I opened a new YouTube account and watched some videogame videos. Rust if you're curious. I'm a woman and this game is played by mostly men. At some point my husband was struggling with his mental health, we were in gridlock so I tried to look up male perspective mental health videos to see if i could understand him better or reach him in a new way.

Those two searches alone, unlocked a flood of bullshit into my feed. I couldnt believe the garbage I was bombarded with.

It is akin to how women are pummeled with beauty ads and standards (buy this to be pretty!) since we are young.

They figured out how to market this same insecurity to men. Wild stuff

Edit: except they aren't just selling "self care" like they do to us, they're selling hate-

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

There are people at my work place that I thought that I got along with and then all of a sudden they come out with the most bigoted things that I have ever heard. I straight up do not trust any man my age at this point there are just too many of them that are "hiding their powerlevel"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

There are actors building influence who benefit by more males being this way. They target ladies too, but in different ways. They are determined and focused.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Just based on what I see women doing around me all the time, there were probably some warning signs. Looking for a dude that's "traditional" or whatever is asking for a dude that's going to see you like a form of livestock. It's partly a politics thing, but largely an assholes thing.

41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.

WTF those are both shockingly high.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I support Tate...

...Being locked in prison for the rest of his life.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (14 children)

Toxic masculinity, feeding itself, empowered by the forces of capital who desires culture war above class war.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

When I date people, I don't allow myself to go forward without completing a mutual background check. I ask questions and talk about politics, tell about situations I've encountered and listen attentively.

I want to know about the other person's world views, decision-making and problem-solving methods - and to inform them about my own. I want to know how they tell apart truth from a lie, what they think about state and centralization, wealth and poverty, science and religion, civil rights and minorities - and to inform them about what I think, so they could make informed decisions.

Ironically, I don't wish to know what party they vote for - because the selection is shitty and I laugh about my own past choices. :)

Recalling situations where world views mismatched - I've had to part ways with one person because she was too spiritual. Two people subscribed to odd conspiracy theories. One person's goals in life warned me about excessive self-interest and lack of care about others.

P.S.

Trying to switch perspective and step into the shoes of a woman, I think it can be a warning sign if the other person gives excessive gifts or feels "obligated to take care" - one should inquire about the reason. I would also be wary of people who eagerly accept me as the new centerpoint of their life - it might indicate an obsessive tendency and severe symptoms if the relation should break. If the other person exhibited jealousy about friends or controlling behaviour, that would be a definite warning sign to me.

P.P.S.

As for social media, yes, it can corrupt people's perception of reality. How to pull them out of the bog, no idea. As for how to avoid them getting there: no algorithmically steered social media.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago

You leave them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Im in a bubble where these guys are like the most laughable parody of themselves so maybe I'm biased but... I mean nobody is taking this kind of stuff serious right? I mean cool, free speech and such but dumb behavior had consequences, right?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (6 children)

People absolutely take this stuff seriously. The problem is the most bone headed guys are the ones likely to fall for this stuff. Once they're sucked in it's hard to convince them otherwise.

It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the old days when you disappeared into a cult, you physically went to live with them and everything.

These days it’s “cult to go.” Good luck intervening and cutting off their link to the cult when the cult is speaking to them from their pocket.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

Its the Boisphere. No men are involved.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

there was plenty of warning signs for Years, even before the pandemic. if you look at how pickup artist operate, and then go on youtube. Tate isnt even a new phenemon, hes a culmination of the above problems. hes just the latest symptom, as was JOE ROGAN.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I literally just blocked an NSFW lemmit of misogynygonewild and it blew my mind it was even a thing. Fucking trash.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Get a new partner.. they're gone

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (15 children)

To answer the headline: divorce, I hope.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Isn't tate already old news for the manosphere?

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