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Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg's plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.

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[–] [email protected] 211 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

Where was the outrage when AIPAC dropped money bombs on progressive primaries to silence opposition against Israel and the Genocide of Palestinians?

The DNC is dead to most USians, the party leadership just refuses to acknowledge it even when their candidates and strategies lose to literal outright fascists.

No, this is the bare minimum I will accept in order to not consider the DNC my enemy.

Burn it down.

Also, age isn't the problem, the problem is money and a rigid party ideology.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Dem insiders just don't have the same values as their erstwhile voters

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Dem insiders are criminally corrupt scabs who are largely to blame for fascism.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Also, age isn’t the problem, the problem is money and a rigid party ideology.

They're not exactly the same thing, but they're certainly correlated.

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 week ago

Useless old parasites upset they are being dislodged from the host.

[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What the FUCK did they think would happen after the most catastrophic election loss in a generation? The DNC and Democratic leadership should have enough of a sense of the gravity of the situation we’re in to resign in shame. Instead they have the audacity to complain?? Seriously, understand how big of a failure you’ve been a part of and actually DO SOMETHING to help solve it.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's campaigns. The same Democratic party leadership that cares more about stopping Bernie Sanders than about stopping Donald Trump. They know who's side they are on, and it's not the same side as you and me. The Democratic party is unfortunately rotten to the core, and it's all about the money. Imagine the concept of regulatory capture applied to politicians broadly and you will understand the modern Democratic party and the state of our government. We need a party built from the ground up to represent the working class, whether it be from the ashes of the Democratic party or otherwise. Primary them at every turn or run independent campaigns where feasible. The other challenge is that mainstream media is owned by the same corporate masters, so it will be an uphill battle regardless.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's campaigns.

Yes but no. The people who won the party leadership elections a few months ago are not neoliberal establishment dems. They're the kind of people who would, for instance, spend 20 million dollars to primary ineffectual establishment democrats.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Hogg is. They made all the DNC leaders sign a no-challenge pledge recently. Every one of them signed it, except David Hogg.

Also, notably, he isn’t doing these primary challenges in his official DNC vice chair capacity. This is on the side as part of his PAC initiatives.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

They literally think if they sit back, do nothing, and let the Trump regime destroy our government from within, that we will be forced to come crawling back to them next election.

Fuck that, fuck the Dems, we deserve much better than these selfish pricks.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think it’s safe to say that the ancient Democrats who’ve been holding onto their seats by sheer force of incumbent political influence, contributed to turning Hogg into a school-shooting survivor. Obviously Republicans bear more responsibility thanks to their gun/violence fetish, but these Dems wouldn’t be so angry if he hadn’t touched a nerve. They’re clearly afraid of young people with new and rational ideas.

I hope these young’uns keep at it, their passion and drive is inspirational. Since the geriatrics in power clearly can’t smell their own bullshit anymore, fuck em. No one is entitled to power, you have to earn it like Hogg has through his dedicated activism. His organization has helped pass more than 250 gun safety laws, for example. He’s actually doing shit.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

If it has to be democrats instead of a new party, this is literally the only way to make it work.

Good Job David Hogg and Leaders We Deserve, hope you oust a ton of these ancient shitbirds.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The neoliberals no longer have the chair....

Ken Martin does...

And the same DNC voters who elected him, elected David Hogg as a vice chair...

Like, this is the party.

Why would we push for a new one, when we just got control of the old one after decades?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

We're not doing another 2016

We can have leftist leadership or admit we want a fascist dictatorship.

The DNC have had over 50 years to choose to force their rich doners to make concessions. They've shown they aren't interested.

The Neoliberals don't get to be in charge anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago

Good fucking riddance, if they wanted their seats they should have defended our country and stood against nazis.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (33 children)

"What a disappointment from leadership. I can think of a million better things to do with twenty million dollars right now," swing-district Rep. Hillary Scholten (D-Mich.) told Axios.

"Fighting Democrats might get likes online, but it's not what restores majorities," she added.

The issue is we get majorities and then nothing gets done with depresses turnout.

We don't want to primary these old conservatives, we'd much rather them represent their constituents, but they've shown time and time again they won't.

We'd rather they get out of the way and resign, but they won't put the future of the party over their own personal power.

So fuck em.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The "intense anger" tells you this is absolutely the right thing to do.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Frankly this is a good idea in the long term despite a possible short term loss.

The Tea Party hurt the Republicans in the short term, but they took over the party and purged the liberal elements. They replaced Eric Cantor with a speaker who does everything they want. They’re a monolithic block now and have been winning out on their strategies ever since.

AOC ousted 10-term congressman Joe Crowley in a primary by a huge margin. A few more of those couldn’t hurt.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Every Democrat seat should face a primary. Every year. No party funds should be spent until after the primary or all people on the ballot should get the same party stipend.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago

Any other job where you fail as hard and as often as those old fossils do, you get the fucking boot. Why do they think they're entitled to their fucking seat? You fucked up and have been responsible for having the world's worst person elected twice now. Time to go.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They should have done this years ago. This opens the party to get republicans playing democrats to take over that party. We have seen this with at least 10 democrats constantly voting with republicans or a democrat completely switching parties during their term. Split the damn party or go home.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Let me guess - the older lawmakers who voted for some of Trump’s cabinet nominations?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

Exactly. And those older law makers get in the way anytime people want to even attempt to make things better.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Mistake for who? Not a mistake for me, not a mistake tactically considering the policy and popularity polling, not a mistake when you consider that these people have been suppressing popular and well polling progressive policies and candidates for decades and still managed to lose the presidency and both houses to a goddamn moron…

All of this shit, all of these “reasons” they list in opposition to Hogg’s initiative, they are all bullshit. Bullshit and deflections and distractions from the fact that they are concerned exclusively about the bottom line for their wealthy benefactors, and about their own as well. The irony that is not lost on anyone is that they are the assholes who did this to us in the first place, and would you look at that, Donald Trump is about to hand them a tax cut.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago

Hogg is 100% right and they are just whining like babies when they should be doing their effing jobs.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (7 children)

The old moderate Democrats are not going to change...they keep trying to reach conservatives in a "middle" that keeps moving right. I'd say getting Democrats elected, then replacing them with better democrats in future elections would be the way to go, but there's something to be said for getting nowhere with the same.old.people.in.the.same.old.positions.election.after.election.and.never.gaining.a.meaningful.majoritye. Either the positions or the people need to change. Since the existing people are not willing to change their positions on the issues, people must be the next thing to change. The party needs to progress into the future, with younger, more vital blood.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

If you were confident that you've done right by the people you represent then surely you wouldn't be threatened by challenges to your incumbency.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (12 children)

If the dude can raise $20 million he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Crybaby old farts need to get with the times.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.

Who gives a shit. What do potential voters think?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Anger because they're useless and they're being called out.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where do I donate to David Hogg?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

Leaders We Deserve is his PAC which is funding this primary challenge initiative.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How can you say democrats don't do anything?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

God the 2nd pic is cringe.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bet they do more against primary challengers than they ever have or ever will against fascists.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

Even the complaints against Hogg are just virtue signaling.

No action. Ever.

They are complicit.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Everyone over 60 years old should be kicked the fuck out of the party and way be made for younger people who have to actually live in the fucking world being created by them.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While this article by Axios and other recent ones seem to cast David Hogg in a bad, unproductive light, I am grateful that they brought attention to the matter.

Because I forgot to donate to his campaign, and I'm not going to be left out of that wave of support.

I do believe this is his organization's page, Leaders We Deserve:

https://leaderswedeserve.com/

I'm very proud of our young progressives. Go, David!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards' teeth down their throats.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Time to clear out the affluent old fossils who act as controlled opposition.

The DNC fucked every god damn thing up.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Okay I usually take a hardline anti-DNC position, but I have to say this is good stuff. Go get 'em Hogg! However I do wanna point out that if Americans don't protect their right to free and fair elections none of this will amount to anything, so y'all still need to get stuff done on that front.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I love his energy, but I sincerely disagree with the whole gun control narrative right now. Leaning into that when there are about to be a shitload of far right militias deputized is an absolutely fucking idiotic plan.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago

Thank you, David Hogg. So glad you survived the school shooting. 👍

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

He is trying to get rid of the dead wood.

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