time to create a polytheistic religion with 3 gods; Adonai, God, and Allah... it'll unify those three religions into being confused and uncomfortable about my religion.
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I call it the Tyrant god.
Oh look, a circle jerk.
rELiGiOn bAD!
They don't all believe in the same God though. Jews and Christians sort of do, only in part. They at least share the old testament. Muslims have a totally different God though, and totally different texts.
they all technically believe in the same God, in one version said god has a son who sacrificed himself, then Muslims built on that as well.
even though the "vibe" and lore of each God is different, technically they are all the same entity.
It is fundamentally the same Abrahamic god, but Christians believe in Jesus and the Trinity stuff while Muslims do not.
Christians believe Jesus is god and have a Trinity thing going on.
Jews and Muslims have an entirely different concept of god than modern day Christians.
There is at least one Christian religion that believes Jesus is below God, while believing he is the Messiah, Gods son, and much of the rest of the Christian beliefs (Jehovah's Witnesses). They don't believe in the Trinity. Holy Ghost/Spirit is just a tool like the force to them, not a distinct person
It's all about who the most important prophet is, and anyone that disagrees is wrong and we hate them.
Religion is wild.
To be a bit pedantic but Christians don't believe Jesus was a prophet.
Matthew 21:11
And the crowds replied, “This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth in Galilee.”
Context is key I may have done 12 years of theological studies but I'll be using AI to summarize this
John 8:58: This verse is found in the Gospel of John, where Jesus makes the statement "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Moses and Exodus 3:14: In the Old Testament, God revealed Himself to Moses in a burning bush, declaring, "I AM THAT I AM." This name, often translated as "I am who I am" or "I will be who I will be," is a declaration of God's eternal and self-existent nature, says the Bible Gateway. Jesus's Claim: By saying "before Abraham was, I AM," Jesus is claiming to be the same eternal, self-existent God who revealed Himself to Moses. Context: The statement is made in the context of a discussion with Jewish leaders who were disputing his authority. Implications: This verse is a central pillar of Christian theology, affirming Jesus's divinity and eternal nature. The Jews' Reaction: The people who heard Jesus make this claim were shocked and disturbed, understanding that it was a direct challenge to their understanding of God's identity.
This is what makes him not a prophet.
I don't see how you've made your point here. Jesus being a prophet isn't mutually exclusive with his being the son of god, or so it would seem to a layperson like myself. If he can be the father, the son, and the holy ghost, it stands to reason he can be a prophet. Lots of hats, I believe he wore.
The key point that I'm trying to make here though is that all of the Jewish profits foretold of the Christ and he was the Christ as far as all the Christians see it. However, all of the Jews and islamists would call him a prophet as they do not believe that he was the Christ.
"Prophet" has a specific meaning, it's not just a soothsayer. Prophecy is tied to the ends of eras, and for the Semitic people, most of their history was, at that point, servitude of one form or another, punctuated by suffering and occasionally vengeful conquest. The Jewish Prophets fortold the Messiah, who would lead them from suffering to paradise.
Christ, in Christian theology, upended that order. He said he was the new Law, and the only way to God was through him. He was pretty clear on the subject. It didn't take long before new Prophecies came about - but now, the people of God weren't just a specific tribe, they were potentially the whole species. So the prophecies had to be Apocalyptic.
Christ wasn't a Prophet. He brought God's message (according to him and his fans), but he didn't say jack about the End Times.
Ok, so maybe (depending on the mythology one subscribes to) he wasn't a Prophet. Nevertheless, it seems inarguable that he was a prophet. Dude was mad prophetic.
Thanks for your insight, I will study knto that topic deeper. I duckduckgoed whether Jesus was a prophet and that passage was what I found. I think the main argument for prophecy was that he was making grandeous statements about the future that were fulfilled, thus he fits the definition. But I’m just a casual reader and could be wrong.
I think in the context of this thread it’s amazing we could come up with two differing views so quickly.
See my reply to ochi in the other thread. Note I was raised Orthodox and from what I understand, reformist Christian sects do not place as much emphasis on the Trinity
Really? I'm no expert, but I wouldn't think being the son of god excluded being a prophet.
The whole point of the holy Trinity is that Jesus is God not separate
My personal head Cannon is that God is nth dimensional programmer /scientist and our universe is equivalent to a simulation running on his computer. He built this place. Gave the people some rolls and was flabbergasted that they continually fucked it up and didn't listen to the rules. So then he basically uploads himself to The matrix lives for 30 years experiences humanity and realizes that we are fundamentally fucked and forgives us after merging that slice of his consciousness back into the main consciousness.
Old English Crīst, from Latin Christus, from Greek Khristos, noun use of an adjective meaning ‘anointed’, from khriein ‘anoint’, translating Hebrew māšīaḥ ‘Messiah’
I would argue that Jesus, as Christ/Messiah is also a priest and prophet, thus fulfilling all of the various other prophecies about Him. He is these things and more: God’s decisive revelation of Himself to humanity, as well as one who redefines what humanity fundamentally is.
The reason why Christians have a tense relationship with the other “Abrahamic faiths” has to do with the understanding that Jesus is God. To deny Jesus’ divinity, from a Christian standpoint, is to define God apart from Jesus which is not consistent with Christian belief. The other problem comes from the idea (more or less later introduced into Christianity) that anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus goes to Hell. This idea, so deeply held by many many Christians, actually misses what the gospel is all about: the minute Jesus forgives His murderers, He effectively declares that there’s no sin beyond His ability to forgive. Which means that all of humanity is forgiven, full stop.
Eastern (Orthodox) Christianity has a very interesting and different view: Hell and Heaven are the same place, just experienced differently—“Heaven” for those who love God on His terms, “Hell” for those who demand God behave on their terms. The basic idea there is that, in the end, most people will come face to face with Jesus and go “oh, it’s you! Cool!” and experience Heaven. But there are those who will see Him and still refuse (at least for a time—I believe that the scriptures are pretty clear that God is merciful and patient and that, given enough time, everyone winds up in “Heaven”).
destroy all abrahamic religions for the future of humanity
if only
but didn't he free the slaves?
happy Pesach and all that
Jews don’t give a shit, it’s the Christian’s and Muslims who make the wars
Umm. Palestine?
Oh right. Not a war. Just a genocide.
zionism is at best a seller settler colonial project with a crude façade of "religion".
So many jews denounce it,
i get it that you can point to extremists in any group and it shouldn't be used as a case to demonize the whole religion.
not all Muslims are terrorists, same way that not all Christians are MAGA, or all Jews are Zionists.
those extremists will bend whatever faith system they gave access to to fuel their violence.
100% true lol
Muslims aren’t supposed to care, they’re supposed to view the other two as “almost Muslim”
Actually the hate is mutual. Muslims hate Christians and Jews, but Jews deffinetly hate Muslims and Christians and Christians hate Muslims and Jews. Abrahamic religions are the doom of the humanity.
Al-andaluz my beloved
Wait until you hear about Christians' conflicts with other Christians! Also a lot of Islamist terror is directed at Muslims who follow Mohammed's teachings the wrong way.
Was flabbergasted when I found out that there was a straight up murderous hate between different sets of Christianity. You can tell the book is the perfect word of a divine being, since it spawned so many different mutually exclusive interpretations
Honestly, God designed the bible, not so much that it would have many different interpretations, but that certain truths would be hidden from those that do not belong to Him. Just like when Jesus told parables, they weren't understandable by everyone for the same reason.
There have been actual crusades inside europe against the 'wrong' type of christians
I dont think any Christian who has a sliver of religious education considers the bible to be the word of God. For starters some of the Gospels that are canon already start with an explanation that this is a recollected account. Then there is other chapters like the letters to the Romans and so on. As for the Torah it is also clear that it is containing some revelations but also a lot of interpretation and chronicles.
This is fundamentally different to the Quran, which we Muslims believe to be the word of God as revealed to the prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing be upon him) and preserved in full and in the original Arabic language. Also Muslims are obliged to treat Christians and Jews (people of the book) kindly and respectfully, unless persecuted or attacked by them.
There are hundreds (likely actually thousands) of Christian denominations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
Gonna need a lot more arms.
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