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Summary

A tourist helicopter carrying a Spanish family of five and a pilot crashed into the Hudson River near Lower Manhattan, killing all 6 aboard, including 3 children.

The Bell 206 helicopter plunged into the water inverted, missing its rotor blades, just over 15 minutes after departing the Wall St. Heliport.

Witnesses described loud noises and parts falling off before impact.

The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is investigating, and Jersey City officials renewed calls for tighter air traffic safety.

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[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 57 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Tragic. A family on vacation with three kids.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 16 points 10 months ago

I took one of those tours when I spent a week in NYC. Definitely wouldn't do the same now.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

2 helicopter crashes today. I hope we hear the cause of this one

[–] knightly@pawb.social 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The video on this one was so weird, like the transmission suddenly and violently locked up, snapping all the prop blades in half.

[–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] knacht1@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget the tie wire..

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yea, somebody missed a step, and someone else did too.

I have family/friends in different parts of the aeronautical world - the procedures, documentation, sign-offs, and oversight is staggering, regardless of which area: A&P maintenance, refurb, , commercial/private/military, research/experimental, etc.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

But luckily all those pesky regulashuns are getting cut now.

[–] SpermHowitzer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Back in 2018 there was a crash in Canada involving a failed TT strap, so Transport Canada issued an AD about that particular manufacturer’s TT straps. The FAA put out a similar AD in September 2024. A failed TT strap will cause a rotor separation. I imagine that’ll be one of the first things they look at.

[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 10 months ago

The dwarf epileptic amputee air traffic controller can't be blamed this time: they've all been fired.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There’s video of blades falling down separately from the helicopter falling without blades on

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That's not good. It's my understanding that the blades are typically meant to stay attached.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

there was a comedy bit that I can't seem to find now but a punchline of it was “I’m not a pilot, but when I see a helicopter in a tree I know somebody fucked up”

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Steve Hofstetter is the comedian

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 months ago

Just a hunch

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Okay, got my guilty laugh of the day out of the way. Thanks.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, parts were falling off when it came doen but that's helicopters for you, always just on the cusp of not exploding.

Don't get me wrong, it's amazing technology, they're relatively safe, and there are uncountable uses for them, but fuck are they are the limits of practical engineering . When something goes wrong, IT GOES WRONG. Best you can hope for is auto rotation to the ground

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Ah the efficiency

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

Almost like safety regulations are written in blood. Clearly we need less of them, they just get in thenof innovation .

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's almost like helicopters are dangerous and you shouldn't be in one unless you really need to.

[–] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

They're only dangerous if they're poorly maintained... like any aircraft.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Or in windy weather, or with other helicopters around, or with bad thermals...

Helicopters are 35% more dangerous than planes, but that stat includes small aircraft, which are 10x more dangerous than jets. So they are WAY more dangerous than jets. By hour they are 85x more dangerous than cars, but comparing traveling similar distances they are 4x safer than cars.

Saying they're only dangerous compared to any aircraft if poorly maintained is just incorrect.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Like any tool, they’re not dangerous unless improperly maintained or piloted. I can virtually guarantee you, this will come down to either a guilty mechanic (or policies governing mechanic activities) or a guilty pilot. This is not a consequence of “helicopters are fundamentally unsafe vehicles, unfit for tourist consumption.” Laughable.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Like almost every other mode of transportation, flying in a helicopter is considerably more dangerous than airline travel. But it's far safer than riding in a car.

Helicopter travel is, using our metric, slightly more dangerous than mass transit, but we can broadly say they're in the same safety band.

Source

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait, was this because of that penguin?

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

No, that was in South Africa.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Agustin Escobar, an executive from European automation company Siemens, his wife, Merce Camprubi Montal, and their children

I feel bad only for the kids. The parents were rich leeches who were getting rich from putting poor people out of work.

[–] TheRealKuni@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

an executive from European automation company Siemens . . . rich leeches who were getting rich from putting poor people out of work.

Are you saying that automation is a bad thing? Like, categorically?

Automation does reduce the number of people needed for some tasks, but in a way that improves dramatically the lives of those still doing those tasks.

I would much rather have automated storage and retrieval systems bring powering a goods-to-person station rather than making people run up and down shelves to retrieve stuff people ordered like we used to have. We used to hear horror stories of Amazon workers not being able to go use the restroom because they couldn’t keep up with quotas. Now robots bring the shelves to them, making the job significantly easier and reducing stress. Obviously reduction of quotas or hiring more workers could also have worked, but this way throughout remains high without the insane amount of burnout for human beings.

I would rather see conveyor systems bringing those picked goods to other stations in the warehouse rather than a person having to run or drive those goods from place to place. I’d rather see automatic sortation systems shuttle totes to their proper destinations than have a person have to take them individually from a source to destination conveyors.

Automation isn’t bad. Stymying advances in automation to protect jobs purely for the sake of the jobs is akin to breaking windows so the window makers have work.

The real issues arise because in most countries few people reap the full benefits. That issue isn’t because of automation, but because of our faulty systems.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Automation in a capitalist world, the one we are currently in, is objectively a bad thing for workers who depend on their labor to survive.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Industrial automation... like PLCs.

They haven't put anyone put of a job since the age of elevator operators.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I've never heard of Siemens referred to as an "automation company".

That's technically true but they're much more into heavy industry. They build power plants, trains, ports and industrial automation equipment. They've had to lay off some of their own employees but I'm not aware of any cases of their business putting other people out of work.