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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/24280496
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Colorectal cancer is a disease and i see 3 plates of red meat. Not great for you to eat red meat every single day. It's a pretty well known and demonstrated fact that eating red meat every day increases your risk of colorectal cancer significantly. Have you seen colorectal cancer ? It's a terrible, terrible illness.
90% of diseases: deceased
heart disease: it's free real estate
Can't get diseases if your heart fails
Gout intensifies
Meat has just become another avenue for insecure men to blast how insecure they are to everyone without seeming to realize how insecure it makes them look
I love meat, but by fuck I don't make it my personality and even I can see that's a ridiculous diet. No bacon?!
Lmao for real, I fucking love me some bacon. It’s so damn good and leaves some nice lard to fry stuff in in my cast iron
I honestly don't love bacon. It's very nice in a burger, but by itself? Nah. It's not horrible but definitely not a top thing for me.
I support vegan products and avoid buying industrially farmed meat, but I do enjoy meat foods. I just don't eat them as often and buy venison/moose/reindeer because they lived free (well reindeers mostly free, theyre semi-domesticated, the shepherds just let them go about Lapland for like most of the year and I've no ideas how the fuck they manage to heed them back together).
It's a bit more expensive but also it's just so much more better than some cheap ass pork-beef mince with 20% fat. You can taste the lack of cruelty.
Is this a shill?
Me? For wine? Or the small kiosk in my local market hall which sells game?
Well you just kind of came out of the woodwork with it while I was responding to someone else. Anyway, I’m poor so I can’t really afford stuff like that
I mean they wine's sort of expensive, but since I stay at home, not really. Compared to going out and having 4 pints, I'm better off.
The mince is about 10e a pound. But I complement it with so much veggies that it lasts for several meals.
This is basically the base. I slow cooked veggies for some 4 hours, then put a bit through the blender, that's the
White onions red onions, leek, celery, carrots
Habanero garlic
Oh theyre all out of order now.
Anyways slow cook them down to this 
And then that picture with the tomatos and whatnot has this mix blended, habanero garlic, blended, cherry tomatoes one can, crushed tomatoes one can, splash of red wine, basil, oregano, thyme.
And that's what gives most the flavour. Froze most of that, then left some to combine with the pound of meat and some chunky red onion bits.
But honestly the meat is there just to completent the meal and provide protein, most of the flavour comes from the veggies, and this are cheap and cheap reds are just fine for cooking.
The picture is basically a recipe, showing me the amounts of things I put in so I can recall the perfect ratio. I do it by heart but I've started optimising it and that blend seen there was fkin perfect. So moorish.
Damn, that looks delicious. Sorry for mistaking your intentions and I appreciate you taking the time to show me all that, it looks quite frugal and I love that you use hot peppers, those really go a long way in taking a dish to the next level. I have actually recently considered to start hunting for my meat, I actually find it far more ethical than factory farming and much cleaner, plus it makes your dependence to capitalism that much smaller. I have deer as local fauna and I really like venison any time I’ve tried it from friends who hunt, just have to flavor it up a bit. Thanks again for that recipe and the knowledge
I would fucking love to hunt. And technically I could hunt roe deer with a bow.
I love on the outskirts of turku and most of Finland is forster do finding deer wouldn't be an issues.
The issues would be the work after the kill:
Bleeding is easy enough, a bit of ripe, a sharpie knife and a strong branch.
But the butchering, skinning, etc? Dragging a whole deer dripping blood, back to my apartment on an ebike, filled with an illegal cannabis farm?
Yeah I think it sounds fun but I don't want to go to jail again so.
Hunting part is legal, but suspicious. Cannabis part isn't illegal.
Thanks for the compliments it really was quote fucking moorish.
Edit to be clear I slow cooked a lot of veggies, froze two packs of that, then took a bit out, blended it, made the tomato sauce, then after making the tomato sauce, took 2/3rds out and added the venison and onions for the meal.
Now I've several meals prepped and pre-prepped
I’m in the US and I have some rifles but would really like to get a bow and get proficient with it, something very satisfying about being about to hit a target with one of those. Finland looks gorgeous from what I’ve seen, those forests would be incredible to hike in. Yeah luckily I have a truck to transport it but I have thought about how rough it may be to drag one from the woods to it cos I’m not a huge guy although I’m sure dressing it would help shed some of the weight. That’s too bad that cannabis is still illegal there, I’m really thankful I can at least partake in that without worrying too much but people still don’t love it when cannabis users also use firearms even though they seem fine about drinking and shooting.
I really need to use some of those ideas with the veggies and freeze them, I eat a bit erratically because I’m kind of a mess when it comes to preparing and then I tend to eat worse than I should because I don’t want to prep stuff. It really makes it a breeze when I have had veggies prepped and ready to go for the week and I’d rather preserve stuff myself with jarring and freezing so I know it doesn’t have any chemical preservatives in it.
Do you garden food as well? I’ve been planning on getting something started for hot peppers and beans but like I said, I’m a bit of a mess with organizing
Eh, Finland is so flat that the woods are enjoyable, you can't really see the forest from the trees, literally.
American nature actually looks gorgeous, with varying features. And redwoods? Oh my.
Our woods are fine yeah, but roe deer would be the easiest to find on some field / forest clearing at dawn / dusk. I don't have a hunting licence currently, but it's just a theory test. Then the poundage on the bow needs to be at least... oh they've changed these. "The shot needs to yield at least 180 N with the draw length of the shooter." And since 2018 they've required a shooting test as well. I was not aware. Basically you informed me, because you made me look. Thanks.
Oh and yeah smoking isn't the same as drinking, but no, I wouldn't need to smoke while hunting. I'd say it affects me on the same level as caffeine for most people. You know some people say caffeine doesn't affect them at all? Well ofc it does, they just don't notice it. So cannabis affects me as well, but it doesn't lower your inhibitions or make you shake all over so I don't think it's really that risky for an experienced user.
Overall intoxicating effects, if someone has never smoked cannabis, yeah, that would be debilitating. But I've smoked daily for years.
Yeah I do do a bit of gardening yeah. I mean, not properly for food plants. I do currently have a small bucket of garlic that started to grow I thought I'd plant those cloves and see what happens. I grew chilis a few times. And my most often done thing is reportting basil / salad when I come from the store and putting it in a larger pot. Basils last me for months, salads for weeks. And I actively use the basil though, just tearing leaves off. But if I cook with fresh basil once a week it'll regrow most of it or even more by the next week. And salad just is nice dry and fresh leaf to put in between a sandwich.
But veggies are so cheap and cannabis isn't, that most of my gardening isn't the legal variety. :D
It looks horrible now, I've not tended it much recently as I'm gonna change the salad and basil out, the salad is blooming if you can see the stalk reaching upwards from it. There was a bug infestation so I sprayed hydrogen peroxide and neem oil and some the plants took a bit offense as well. Can't really see but the big black has in it oregano (that's what brought the flies this time), but there's also red onion and garlic in that. A shallot and leeks as well just for laughs.
I have a north facing balcony and never get enough sunshine to grow anything out there. Which is ironic as the houses on this street or this area is called "sun valley" in Finnish. Utterly ironic.
Unless you honestly enjoy gardening or have room outside in the sun, I don't think it's really worth it tbh with how cheap those are in stores. At least for me, as I need to actually use energy to grow them with the lights.
But yeah having a base tomato sauce and those veggies as bases makes it much easier for me to have the energy to make a meal because it won't take hours. I should complain to my landlord because my freezer has been drawing it's last for years.
Really the most motivation I got to do this is because I discovered a wheat allergy last year and I can't trust any shops or ready made products. Even the supposedly gluten free ones are often lacking, as they can be called gluten free if it's just below 20mg/kg, but still clearly give me symptoms.
So I try making most things as from the scratch I can pretty much. A lot of doing for most things, but cooking is fun and I've nothing better to do. If only somoene cleaned up afterwards I'd do it every day
Xitter is the new 4Chan, isn’t it?
🌎🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀 always has been. Just getting more noticeable since they stopped moderation.
This is how I eat tbh, but I have diseases.
You're just not eating enough of it, or too much
Point is if it doesn't work it's just because you're using it wrong
-every snakeoil salesman ever
The unlucky 10%
This looks like the kind of meals my grandparents ate every day.
Ah the classic "eat yourself to health". Bet you have to ingest a lot of cinnamon or some bs too.
Just get out of the couch, don't eat processed food, no soda and you're as good as anyone. There is no miracle diet.
This isn't true. Our diets are ideally made of vitamins and minerals and amino acids (and more) that all work with each other and counteract each other in a delicate balance, along with whatever anatomy we have like receptors or enzymes or current storage of these nutrients, along with whatever genes we have.
This is complicated, and no, it's never one size fits all. However, a lot of US diet is based in -high vitamin A, high tyramine, high omega 6, high sodium, high glucose, and
-low vitamin e, d, k, magnesium, iron, copper, selenium, omega 3s, vitamin Bs, vitamin C, potassium
Many many many many diseases are associated with chronic vitamin deficiencies. You absolutely may need different amount of different vitamins for your anatomy and diet. Most doctors ASSUME our diets are adequate but do not actually check, and those assumptions aren't taking into account that some populations likely use more of some vitamins than others, so what looks like an adequate amount in one person may not actually be enough in another. Or seasonally, eg we need more zinc in the summertime to deal with heat stress, we get more vitamin D in the summer as well.
Seriously, just try to get 100% of your daily intake of just potassium and vitamin K with foods and tell me who is eating like that every day. We are not all eating adequate diets by any means.
You're on a whole othef league here.
If you down soda all day and can't get out of the couch, it's not vitamin problems you should worry about.
Also, don't just eat vitamins if you don't actually have a real deficiency. You can intake too much of some like the fat soluble ones.
Also 90%+ of westeners lack vitamin D (because we're not out getting skin cancer in the sun 10h a day).
But yeah, eat a well balanced diet and keep checks on your physical health is key to good health.
I'm telling you, you're simplifying something inappropriately.
If you down soda all day and can’t get out of the couch, it’s not vitamin problems you should worry about.
Lack of movement or energy is a classic vitamin deficiency sign, particularly anemia / iron / b12 /b vitamins / copper / iodine. If you cant get off the couch, you definitely need to try vitamins, and likely have an imbalance of vitamins you intake vs what you need.
Iron deficiency, or when the body’s iron stores are too low, is common, and may affect up to 40% of adolescents and young women According to a previous report, up to 70% of cases go undiagnosed in high-risk populations
You can only really intake too much of fat soluble retinol-based vitamin A, about 10k IU daily, which can cause not only liver damage but skin to slough off at higher levels (1mil IU).
https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/disappearing-pod/death-by-nutrition/
Vitamin K has never been found to have an upper limit, and vitamin E has a classic upper dosage of 1000IU but some dosages are as high as 4000IU per day. Likewise vitamin D has postulated upper limits but some get injections of 300k IU. Vitamin D can cause odd issues with calcium, and ofc calcium levels being off can cause odd issues with potassium and magnesium levels and so on. Supplementing therefore should be done thoughtfully and with the patient's health as a whole in mind.
You can't continuously get blood checks on all of your levels.
It's OK to supplement if you want. Just watch out for retinol and B6. And don't take stuff like Ashwaganda etc, take actual vitamins and minerals first
Ditching soda is huge. I was 190 lbs two years ago and the only change I made was ditching soda and now I’m 165 lbs with no jiggles. Soda is absolute garbage
There are no miracle diets, but there are some terrible diets that don't make people healthy.
There are no miracle diets, but gut health seems to be increasingly revealed to be a route to general health. Didn’t they just find some promising new treatment for Alzheimer’s via the gut biome?
There is lots of exciting literature being published on gut health, but we are at the stage where we don't know what is good and bad in the gut. I've seen some recent papers showing lots of promise for neurodegenerative disorders using ketogenic diets to keep energy flowing into the brain of highly insulin resistant populations such as type 2 diabetics. (the incidence of t2d and alzheimers is suspiciously high)
As you said, no miracle diets, but many terrible diets:
don’t eat processed food
More nuanced than this
Yogurt and pasteurized products are fine
i agree obvs, but i think today people recognise and differentiate between 'processed foods' (those made due to chemical processes invented with the industrial revolution) and 'processed' foods (something made from another or has gone through a process to become something different)
i mean, a sandwich is processed, but we wouldnt label it as such.
Relevant link for anyone who made it this far
I like how when they are talking about ultra processed foods they use baby formula as a UPF that is a absolute good thing
Lets look at similac, a very popular baby formula brand
big things I'm concerned about:
They are bending over backwards to remove animal sourced fats from infant food.....
My favorite definition of ultra processed foods is : Can you make it at home from scratch using standard equipment and whole food ingredients? No? Then it's too processed.
Oh, those are good points. I did some digging to try and answer them, hope you don't mind.
They are bending over backwards to remove animal sourced fats from infant food..
Yeah, the American Academy of Pediatrics cites two reasons for this:
- Infants cannot digest cow's milk as completely or easily as they digest breast milk or baby formula.
- More importantly, cow's milk is not a source of complete nutrition for babies under 1 year old, since it does not contain enough of certain nutrients they need.
So instead, they remove the milk fat and replace it with a composite fat blend. The catch is that not all oils are created equal, and plant oils vary in composition which means they need an industrial process to standardize and purify them for consistent results in baby formula.
All baby formulas contain a blend of different fats or oils that provide important fatty acids (like DHA) for brain and eye development. About 50% of the calories in breast milk and infant formulas come from fat.
Because Similac formulas have no palm olein oil, our oil blends are designed to support excellent calcium absorption for strong bones.
https://www.similac.com/baby-formula-ingredients.html
They’re especially trying to avoid olein oil (from palm oil), which is linked to reduced calcium and fat absorption in infants:
We conclude that fat is less well absorbed from a mixture of 53% palm olein and 47% soy oil than from a mixture of 60% soy oil and 40% coconut oil, and that absorption of calcium is less from a formula containing palm olein, presumably because of the formation of insoluble calcium soaps of unabsorbed palmitic acid.
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/s0002-9165(23)17392-8/fulltext
why industrial oils in baby food?
I get the concern. The word industrial can sound ominous like we’re talking about synthetic byproducts or factory waste. But here it just means the oils are refined under strict quality controls to guarantee safety, purity, and consistency.
Iirc, in the video Reardon refers to formula as an example, but defines highly processed foods as those with low nutritional density and high in added fats and sugars. Formula doesn’t really fit that. In fact, the processing here is done to preserve and optimize nutrition, not strip it away.
So the popular “processed foods are bad” idea really depends on what you’re processing into what. If you're left with junk, then it’s a problem. But in this case, processing helps create a safe, nutritionally complete food.
Look at that plate of inflammation and hard turds!
The left one isnt so bad. The only weird looking thing in that is the eggs. The avocado and potatoes look great. If you dont like meat thats fine but its not "bad food".
Besides the elevated cancer risk from the meat.
I don't know what that slop is though. Is that half cooked egg? Mashed potatoes with a pound of butter?
yeah looks like half cooked egg that was then smashed to bits
What about egg-steak-kiwi?
Im only considering the left one. There is nothing that can be considered food in the other ones except for the potatoes.
I thought those were sprouts. Agree it looks fine though.
The steak is like medium at one end, and goes all the way to "congratulations"
As an Italian, I'm obligated to say: Just eat pizza.
strength athlete?
I have a meal like that once maybe twice a year at most.