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Ah the classic "eat yourself to health". Bet you have to ingest a lot of cinnamon or some bs too.
Just get out of the couch, don't eat processed food, no soda and you're as good as anyone. There is no miracle diet.
This isn't true. Our diets are ideally made of vitamins and minerals and amino acids (and more) that all work with each other and counteract each other in a delicate balance, along with whatever anatomy we have like receptors or enzymes or current storage of these nutrients, along with whatever genes we have.
This is complicated, and no, it's never one size fits all. However, a lot of US diet is based in -high vitamin A, high tyramine, high omega 6, high sodium, high glucose, and
-low vitamin e, d, k, magnesium, iron, copper, selenium, omega 3s, vitamin Bs, vitamin C, potassium
Many many many many diseases are associated with chronic vitamin deficiencies. You absolutely may need different amount of different vitamins for your anatomy and diet. Most doctors ASSUME our diets are adequate but do not actually check, and those assumptions aren't taking into account that some populations likely use more of some vitamins than others, so what looks like an adequate amount in one person may not actually be enough in another. Or seasonally, eg we need more zinc in the summertime to deal with heat stress, we get more vitamin D in the summer as well.
Seriously, just try to get 100% of your daily intake of just potassium and vitamin K with foods and tell me who is eating like that every day. We are not all eating adequate diets by any means.
You're on a whole othef league here.
If you down soda all day and can't get out of the couch, it's not vitamin problems you should worry about.
Also, don't just eat vitamins if you don't actually have a real deficiency. You can intake too much of some like the fat soluble ones.
Also 90%+ of westeners lack vitamin D (because we're not out getting skin cancer in the sun 10h a day).
But yeah, eat a well balanced diet and keep checks on your physical health is key to good health.
I'm telling you, you're simplifying something inappropriately.
Lack of movement or energy is a classic vitamin deficiency sign, particularly anemia / iron / b12 /b vitamins / copper / iodine. If you cant get off the couch, you definitely need to try vitamins, and likely have an imbalance of vitamins you intake vs what you need.
https://www.hematology.org/newsroom/press-releases/2024/over-half-of-iron-deficiency-cases-in-large-health-system-still-unresolved-at-three-years
You can only really intake too much of fat soluble retinol-based vitamin A, about 10k IU daily, which can cause not only liver damage but skin to slough off at higher levels (1mil IU).
https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/disappearing-pod/death-by-nutrition/
Vitamin K has never been found to have an upper limit, and vitamin E has a classic upper dosage of 1000IU but some dosages are as high as 4000IU per day. Likewise vitamin D has postulated upper limits but some get injections of 300k IU. Vitamin D can cause odd issues with calcium, and ofc calcium levels being off can cause odd issues with potassium and magnesium levels and so on. Supplementing therefore should be done thoughtfully and with the patient's health as a whole in mind.
You can't continuously get blood checks on all of your levels.
It's OK to supplement if you want. Just watch out for retinol and B6. And don't take stuff like Ashwaganda etc, take actual vitamins and minerals first
Ditching soda is huge. I was 190 lbs two years ago and the only change I made was ditching soda and now I’m 165 lbs with no jiggles. Soda is absolute garbage
There are no miracle diets, but there are some terrible diets that don't make people healthy.
There are no miracle diets, but gut health seems to be increasingly revealed to be a route to general health. Didn’t they just find some promising new treatment for Alzheimer’s via the gut biome?
There is lots of exciting literature being published on gut health, but we are at the stage where we don't know what is good and bad in the gut. I've seen some recent papers showing lots of promise for neurodegenerative disorders using ketogenic diets to keep energy flowing into the brain of highly insulin resistant populations such as type 2 diabetics. (the incidence of t2d and alzheimers is suspiciously high)
As you said, no miracle diets, but many terrible diets:
More nuanced than this
Yogurt and pasteurized products are fine
i agree obvs, but i think today people recognise and differentiate between 'processed foods' (those made due to chemical processes invented with the industrial revolution) and 'processed' foods (something made from another or has gone through a process to become something different)
i mean, a sandwich is processed, but we wouldnt label it as such.
Relevant link for anyone who made it this far
I like how when they are talking about ultra processed foods they use baby formula as a UPF that is a absolute good thing
Lets look at similac, a very popular baby formula brand
big things I'm concerned about:
They are bending over backwards to remove animal sourced fats from infant food.....
My favorite definition of ultra processed foods is : Can you make it at home from scratch using standard equipment and whole food ingredients? No? Then it's too processed.
Oh, those are good points. I did some digging to try and answer them, hope you don't mind.
Yeah, the American Academy of Pediatrics cites two reasons for this:
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/baby/formula-feeding/Pages/Why-Formula-Instead-of-Cows-Milk.aspx
So instead, they remove the milk fat and replace it with a composite fat blend. The catch is that not all oils are created equal, and plant oils vary in composition which means they need an industrial process to standardize and purify them for consistent results in baby formula.
https://www.similac.com/baby-formula-ingredients.html
They’re especially trying to avoid olein oil (from palm oil), which is linked to reduced calcium and fat absorption in infants:
https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/s0002-9165(23)17392-8/fulltext
I get the concern. The word industrial can sound ominous like we’re talking about synthetic byproducts or factory waste. But here it just means the oils are refined under strict quality controls to guarantee safety, purity, and consistency.
Iirc, in the video Reardon refers to formula as an example, but defines highly processed foods as those with low nutritional density and high in added fats and sugars. Formula doesn’t really fit that. In fact, the processing here is done to preserve and optimize nutrition, not strip it away.
So the popular “processed foods are bad” idea really depends on what you’re processing into what. If you're left with junk, then it’s a problem. But in this case, processing helps create a safe, nutritionally complete food.