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Proton CEO Andy Yen gave a surprisingly sharp interview to the Swiss magazine "watson" (source in German: https://www.watson.ch/digital/wirtschaft/517198902-proton-schweiz-chef-andy-yen-zum-ausbau-der-staatlichen-ueberwachung). He warned that Proton might leave Switzerland if new surveillance laws are passed, which aligns with the company’s strong pro-privacy stance. So far, nothing unexpected.

However, Yen’s remarks about Swiss officials - describing them as lifelong bureaucrats, all lazy, and incompetent - came across as arrogant and out of place, almost like something you’d expect from a capitalism praising Trump supporter. he also was quoted in the interview, that the US works better (so they consider to move there?).

The interview left me speechless, and I’m certain I won’t be considering Proton for any of my future projects

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

i don't understand why the proton board doesn't sack him

i also don't understand why he's praising a surveillance state like the us which is currently deporting people because they're critical of foreign governments

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

For those in the back:

Facts about Proton

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I left to Tuta when he got unnecessarily political last time, and it's been pretty great.

Also, they just dropped a calendar widget yesterday ;)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

tuta and mullvad has been my goto since the proton implosion

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I hope that this is only a few misguided bureaucrats of the ÜPF, who wake up and notice that they make a big mistake.

I've only skimmed but it seems he's only angry at specific bureaucrats. I don't see anything too outrageous.

I suspect that computer scientists have a tendency to believe that all complex problems can simply be broken down into many small parts and solved once and for all. But that is because they enjoy thinking that way for writing code or solving computer problems, and they are not educated at all in sociology, economy, psychology or political science. There are those who seek power above anything else - and that is why we can't have nice things or simple solutions.

He does come across a bit like a libertarian nutjob as if it's up to the "captains of industry" to fight crime and care for the well-being of people. Except of course about the surveillance area he is right, the surveillance state has always and will always overreach. And organized crime and terrorists can always circumvent legal means of surveillance by faking or stealing identities.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

This is a thinly-veiled attempt at leveraging his past comments to make a normal boring interview seem like a firecracker. Disingenuous as fuck, from title yo body.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't see anything wrong here, calling bureaucrats lazy has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. I call then all the time lazy and useless in my country.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (13 children)

In the US at least, federal employees are non-political employees who have protections against getting randomly fired, so a new politician can't replace the entire workforce with loyal idealogues. Federal employees earn less income than workers in the private sector, but do it for the sense of purpose and the stability.

Insulting bureaucrats as "lazy" on the whole is the first step to removing those protections, and going back to the world of Andrew Jackson and the robber barons, before these rules existed. Where the regulators can be fired for any reason and replaced with staff that are friendly to business, or not replaced at all. This led to huge wealth disparities, deregulation, a global depression, and the wealthy mostly remained unarmed.

So while calling government workers "lazy bureaucrats" seems harmless, in the USA at least it is part of an influence campaign to dismantle and despoil the government.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

This has nothing to do with the US. It's an interview in the Swiss media, of a Swiss-based company.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I read the entire interview, and while it was a browser translation, I didn't get the same sense from it as OP. It reads to me like standard commentary from someone who works in secure services.

The comment about the US was more about the fact that they wouldn't have the same obligations to expose users or implement backdoors as what this regulation is asking, and that's true. The US is still (thankfully) supportive of E2EE services. How long that lasts is unknown, but it is still nonetheless true right now.

And calling the politicians lazy bureaucrats, etc.? I call Democrats stuff like that all the time.

He's said some other potentially problematic things, depending on how you read them, but this seems pretty innocuous and in line with what I'd expect from someone in his position.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

The comment about the US was more about the fact that they wouldn't have the same obligations to expose users or implement backdoors as what this regulation is asking, and that's true.

true true, not the same ones, different ones. like national security letters and warrants and the like

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

Bereaucrats being lazy is a common theme, for a reason. I don't get people who act like this isn't a well-known common issue, in pretty much any government.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

a good alternative to protonmail for secure encrypted email communication is Delta Chat: https://delta.chat/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

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I assume this is poster's seelf deletion because otherwise more of the post would be gone including title and creator. is this a smear campaign?

I mean, things we have seen in the past does not inspire a lot of trust, but what is this?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

On my side it's

Post is awaiting moderator approval.

I don't know exactly what that means, but it doesn't appear like the person who wrote it meant to delete it, or avoid criticism about it

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I'll never understand the hate boner people on the internet have for this guy.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Glad I went with Tuta mail.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm using Proton and considering divesting. What are good alternatives without US ties?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't think there's any all-in-one services like Proton. [email protected] has a few suggestions, https://european-alternatives.eu/ has others. You'll likely have to piecemeal things if you had the full Proton suite.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

That source is literally scrapping an empty pot for nothing

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Such a shame to see what seemed like a great alternative to Gmail under such management.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah, fuck that guy for

checks notes

Hating bureaucracy like the rest of the world!

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