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[–] i3c8XHV@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

The Palestinians can stop the war in Gaza any minute. They could have stopped it yesterday. They could end it tomorrow. They could wlend it this very minute.

They could have had a Palestinian state. They could have a Palestinian state.

This is the ultimate truth that leftist media is working so hard to hide: The Palestinians don't want a Palestinian state. They want Israelis not to have one.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Holy shit, what a moron. Biden should really send a thank you card for that nice little gift.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The general election will be a competition between two senile goons shouting "I love Israel more than you!" at one another from across a debate stage.

Then we'll all get an earful about how voting is a civic duty and you need to choose which one is the lesser of the two evils.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah but deciding not to vote for Biden just feels like a good trendy way to express my sympathies with Palestineans... /s

[–] Kiryu@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I hope this gets posted in all the leftist boards. People need to understand Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide. Biden has shown he can at least be pressured into taking minor steps in the right direction. Being able to claim moral purity at the expense of a genocided Palestine will ring pretty hollow.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have a strict "no genocide" policy. Candidates that promote, endorse, allow, or sit idly by and let others do genocide are gonna be a no go from me.

It's not going to change unless we make demands.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have a strict “no genocide” policy.

That's not one of the options though. You get to pick which genocide. You either get restrained genocide, or full genocide with a side of dismantling American democracy.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Tell your kids how you rationalized voting for genocide.

[–] skeptomatic@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 years ago

You mean critical thinking?
As soon as it's assured Trump loses, and the subsequent cou de tat is quelled, you can all camp the White House front lawn and shake the fences, throw red paint, call old Biden an accessory to murder. Fill your boots.

But not before.

Balancing on the tightrope with hell yawning below, is hardly the time to consider changing your shoelaces.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The irony of literally anyone (eligible) not voting for Biden specifically because of his handling of the Gaza situation, and thereby doing their part to help Donald "Gotta Finish the Problem" Trump win, makes my bones hurt. I hate this timeline and I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The irony of literally anyone (eligible) not voting for Biden specifically because of his handling of the Gaza situation

I left my primary ballot blank. There was nobody on the ticket who wasn't going to continue the genocide (with perhaps Marianna Williamson as an exception, but I'm not indulging her vanity campaign). Come November, I suspect I'll be in the same spot. Two candidates who are endorsing genocide, with the caveat that one is waving an Israeli sports pennant while the other repeatedly insists he feels really bad about it.

I hate this timeline and I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

Swing by Gaza. We'll sell the Israelis the next round of ammo used to wipe you off the face of the Earth.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's a good thing that the only responsibility of a US president is deciding what to do about Israel.

If they were the only person able to veto something like a national abortion ban, or legislation criminalizing trans people, it would really mess with your calculus.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

It’s a good thing that the only responsibility of a US president is deciding what to do about Israel.

Hey now, that's not true. He's also responsible for getting his Too Woke judicial nominees filibustered, appointing a bunch of corporate flacks to the Federal Reserve, doing photo ops at the US-Mexico border while wearing tacti-cool kit and frowning through a pair of binoculars, and fucking up the handling of the next environmental / weather disaster. And who can forget the most important job of any President? Fundraising!

If they were the only person able to veto something like a national abortion ban

Then we're already fucked, because that would imply all this hemming and hawing about abortion being a losing issue for Republicans failed to pan out and now a bunch of sadistic right-wing fucks are crowding into the House and Senate.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

But sure, yeah... go ahead and just not vote. Letting Trump in will be so much better for the Palestinians.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A week ago, the difference between the two would have been that Trump would enable Israel in every way, while Biden would enable Israel in every way, but staffers would leak stories about how much Biden didn't like Netanyahu from time to time. Now, Biden has started sending aid to Gaza while Harris is calling for a ceasefire, and this is entirely because 100K voters in Michigan voted uncommitted. When done properly, threatening to withhold your vote can be an effective way to make your voice heard.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Now, Biden has started sending aid to Gaza

But he hasn't stopped sending weapons to Israel

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm not saying there's been enough change, just that there has been some change, and it was brought on by people threatening to withhold their vote.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

it was brought on by people threatening to withhold their vote.

Its definitely been a wake-up call to the party. Watching Biden shed 20% of Democratic voter turnout in a fucking primary is something. Obama and Clinton never had these kinds of problems in '12 and '96. And guys that did - Carter getting burned by Ted Kennedy in '80 and Bush to Buchanan in '92 - should have been a warning to the party as a whole.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'll be honest, I'm very worried about this election. I'm still unhappy with Biden's approach to Israel, but at least now they can credibly argue that voting for him would be harm reduction for Palestinians. Maybe that will be enough to drive turnout.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

at least now they can credibly argue that voting for him would be harm reduction

Right until the polls close in November, at which point its back to business as usual.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Letting Trump in

Winner-take-all electoral college means you never really had a voice in the matter.

You should have moved to a Blue State before 2020, so your physical presence could be used to tip how many electoral votes that state produced, if you really cared about stopping Trump in 2024. That's the only consequential method of putting a (very tiny) finger on the scale of a Presidential contest.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Wouldn't it make more sense to move to a swing state and try to tip it blue?

Edit: tip it blue

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

From a population perspective, it wouldn't matter. Your best bet would be to find a bright blue state that is on the cusp of getting a new house seat. That would boost up the EC total for the state and guarantee consistent adds to Team Blue. Moving to a purple state and hoping you are THE swing voter mostly just means you make the state more valuable to invest in by the various campaigns. You're still going to be functionally feeding Red Team during red election waves (which blue needs votes the most) when your view is most likely to be in the minority.