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i'm sad to report

wreck 0.3.4.post0 no longer emits build front end options into .lock files wreck#30.

Background of efforts to beg and plead for setuptools maintainers to bend ever so slightly.

Continuing from denied way to pass build front end options thru requirement files so know non-pypi.org hosts setuptools#4928

This hurts those hosting packages locally or remotely on non-pypi.org package index servers. For those who are, the packages themselves give no clue where the dependencies and transitive packages are hosted.

Each and every user would need to have a ~/.pip/pip.conf or pass --extra-index-url pip install cli option. And somehow know all the possible package index servers.

This allows the pypi.org cartel to continue along it's merry way unimpeded.

Wish pep751 good luck and may there be a .unlock equivalent. Do not yet understand how the pep751 implementers will bypass setuptools and build.

Oh finally.

The news on this is mixed. “All the tool authors have signaled they can and would implement the PEP as an export format,” said Cannon, but that does not mean they would adopt it as their sole lock file format. The creator of uv, Charlie Marsh, said that “today, the PEP 751-style pylock.toml files are not sufficient to replace uv.lock,” but that support will be added for export.

This sounds little better then "here is 13th standard" even though it's not feature full.

https://xkcd.com/927/

Here I am still using requirements.txt and the built in venv. Sure poetry looks cool. I just don't have it everywhere. Now I just have to wait 5 years before I can reliably use a pylock.toml. Progress!

How is this different from regular dependencies?

Viva la package dependencies!

Does it do away with setuptools? After my experience interacting with the maintainers, now refer to that package as, The Deep State

The Deep State only supports loading dependencies from pypi.org Which has many advantages right up until it doesn't.

This new standard contains dependency host url. Hope there is a package other than setuptools that supports it.

When bring it up, and prove it, the responses alternate between playing dumb and gaslighting. The truth is The Deep State are gate keepers. And they are in the way.

Training wheels off mode please! So there is support for requirements files that contain on which server dependencies are hosted with more than one choice. Would like the option to host packages locally or remotely using pypiserver or equivalent.

On the positive side, setuptool maintainers did not suggest voodoo dolls, try to wait out the planetary alignment, better economic conditions, or peace on Earth.

That's how the conversation comes off to my eyes. But form your own opinion. Especially enjoyable for folks who also enjoyed the TV series, The Office.

What are the alternatives to being stonewalled by setuptools?

Disclosure: Wrote requirements rendering package, wreck. I have my own voodoo dolls and plenty of pins